Juuso Valimaki: "I really enjoy hockey again"

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The other exacerbating factor is the number of quality players that the Flames have lost for nothing or next to nothing. To name a few:

Savard
St. Louis
Iginla
Gio
Bennett
Gaudreau

Will Valimaki be the latest member of that list? Time will tell.

Every team in the league would have a list that looks like that going back the same amount of time.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

One could make the case that the Flames as an orgainzation didn't do everything it could have to help Juuso unlock his potential during his time here.

That's maybe fair, but then we're asking if he should've been kept in a top 4 role when he was drowning in the bottom pair on a conference leading team

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

You don't become a better organization by simply comparing yourself to bad or average organizations. You become better by looking at yourself and looking for ways to improve.



One could make the case that the Flames as an orgainzation didn't do everything it could have to help Juuso unlock his potential during his time here.

I was comparing them to ALL organizations because they all have lists like this, especially in the cap era

and you are totally putting the cart before the horse with Vali...he has had a few good games for a team that would rather lose than win this season

What did you want them to do? gift him ice time when he was playing terrible at the NHL and AHL level? Again he wasn't even one of the better Heat dmen.

[Mathgod]

The Coyotes seem to have figured out how to bring the best in Juuso, something the Flames clearly could not figure out how to do. His comments might shine some light on it.

Originally Posted by dino7c

I was comparing them to ALL organizations because they all have lists like this, especially in the cap era

The Flames list is probably much longer, I only listed the names I could think of off the top of my head.

There are probably teams with shorter lists than the Flames.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The Coyotes seem to have figured out how to bring the best in Juuso, something the Flames clearly could not figure out how to do. His comments might shine some light on it.



The Flames list is probably much longer, I only listed the names I could think of off the top of my head.

There are probably teams with shorter lists than the Flames.

lol yeah, we don't ####ing care if we win or not...he has been okay for two weeks, seriously he didn't become Bobby Orr and he still wouldn't be in the Flames top six. That chart posted here to show how great he is doing had Stone and Zadorov well above him.

"probably much longer" good argument

Truth is you follow the Flames so you know the names off the top of your head

[Mathgod]

No, my argument is literally just "there's room for improvement". An argument you seem so triggered by for some reason.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

No, my argument is literally just "there's room for improvement". An argument you seem so triggered by for some reason.

You said the Flames list is longer than other teams without any real research into the matter.

Kadri, Lindholm, and Hyman are far better than anyone recent the Flames have lost in recent years. Just off the top of my head.

People were making threads like this about Neal and Joe Colborne too a few games into the season

[TheScorpion]

Well if we're looking at players like that you could just as easily say Tkachuk, Dougie, and Gaudreau

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Well if we're looking at players like that you could just as easily say Tkachuk, Dougie, and Gaudreau

"lost for nothing"

Gaudreau is the only example that even fits

Flames have Lindholm and Hanifin

Canes have?

[Mathgod]

You're right, I didn't spend a gazillion hours researching every team's player departures of the past 20 years. But I do know this much. The Flames have one conference final appearance in 32 years. Doesn't take a genius to see that the organization hasn't been doing things as well as they could have, or else the results would have been much better. The only way this trend turns around is if the organization starts doing things better. I believe they have been on a better trajectory in recent years under Tre's watch, so I'm optimistic. But it's nevertheless unfortunate to see yet another player struggle as a Flame and then suddenly do well with another team.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by dino7c

"lost for nothing"

Gaudreau is the only example that even fits

Flames have Lindholm and Hanifin

Canes have?

The Canes had three years of Dougie as they were in their contention window. They also have the prospects they traded Fox for now.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The Canes had three years of Dougie as they were in their contention window. They also have the prospects they traded Fox for now.

Prospects who may never play...and they didn't win anything

Flames obviously won that one in a landslide

Flames got "prospects" for Iginla too if we are going there

[TheScorpion]

Frankly, if the trade was the other way around you'd be saying the Flames won it, too. Dougie was a top-5 defenceman when he was in Carolina. That was an extremely good acquisition for them.

The Flames have had significantly less success than the Hurricanes since that trade.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

You're right, I didn't spend a gazillion hours researching every team's player departures of the past 20 years. But I do know this much. The Flames have one conference final appearance in 32 years. Doesn't take a genius to see that the organization hasn't been doing things as well as they could have, or else the results would have been much better. The only way this trend turns around is if the organization starts doing things better. I believe they have been on a better trajectory in recent years under Tre's watch, so I'm optimistic. But it's nevertheless unfortunate to see yet another player struggle as a Flame and then suddenly do well with another team.

At least give them the cup final (actually a win)

I think we need more than 2 weeks to see if Valimaki is really doing well. Joe Colborne had a hatty his first game away from the Flames. Neal was leading the NHL in goals 2 months in...just think you are getting ahead of yourself to push this negative narrative.

Yotes have a terrible team, that is why he gets ice time there. 31 other teams deemed him not worthy of an NHL roster spot...that is a fact.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Frankly, if the trade was the other way around you'd be saying the Flames won it, too. Dougie was a top-5 defenceman when he was in Carolina. That was an extremely good acquisition for them.

The Flames have had significantly less success than the Hurricanes since that trade.

frankly this is not true at all....Flames have two massive assets and the Canes have nothing and didn't win a damn thing.

Flames are winning this trade tree at the moment and its not even close

Like are you kidding? Hanifin had more points last year than Dougie ever did in Carolina and Lindholm had 82 and was #2 in Selke voting

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Frankly, if the trade was the other way around you'd be saying the Flames won it, too. Dougie was a top-5 defenceman when he was in Carolina. That was an extremely good acquisition for them.

The Flames have had significantly less success than the Hurricanes since that trade.

That trade was a win-win for both teams. Both teams got what they wanted out of it, and would have been worse off if they hadn't made it.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by dino7c

At least give them the cup final (actually a win)

I think we need more than 2 weeks to see if Valimaki is really doing well. Joe Colborne had a hatty his first game away from the Flames. Neal was leading the NHL in goals 2 months in...just think you are getting ahead of yourself to push this negative narrative.

Yotes have a terrible team, that is why he gets ice time there. 31 other teams deemed him not worthy of an NHL roster spot...that is a fact.

Time will indeed tell.

Don't the Yotes get first dibs on waiver players or am I mistaken?

[dino7c]

lol never mind pointless in arguing with takes like these

I don't think its even debatable that the Flames won the Hamilton trade...part of the reason they traded him is because they knew he was chasing a massive UFA deal, which he did

Hanifin had a better year last year statistically than Hamilton's best in Carolina not to mention Lindholm. Both Lindholm and Hanifin are on great contracts and still with the Flames so I don't even see a debate. Maybe if the Canes won a cup in the meantime but they didn't.

Even then you can't just compare team results...with that logic the the Flames were winners losing Gaudreau because they are better than CBJ

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Time will indeed tell.

Don't the Yotes get first dibs on waiver players or am I mistaken?

Brad said ONE claim

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Brad said ONE claim

So when teams chose not to try to claim him, they didn't know Arizona was claiming him?