2022/2023 English Premier League

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Slava

Liverpool got away with one today. No way they deserved the three points.

Not a chance, but thanks for the points anyways. We needed a slumpbuster.

Now...can the Calgary Flames play against Spurs?

[MegaErtz]

Four defeats in seven for Spurs. Completely outplayed until the last twenty minutes.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Locke

Not a chance, but thanks for the points anyways. We needed a slumpbuster.

Now...can the Calgary Flames play against Spurs?

Maybe you could also get that ref every week? Between that and a Dier/Lloris combo, that would give you a title challenge this year for sure!

[Slava]

Apparently Hassenhutl is out in Southampton. Not sure who’s going to replace him there. I’m quite surprised that Motes hasn’t been more talked as being under the gun for West Ham. They’ve been poor this year, overall.

[Slava]

FSG has put Liverpool up for sale today. I can ply which shady sports washing group wants to buy them!

[agulati]

Really enjoying Arsenal’s season so far. Not convinced that they can keep it up for the whole year, but the first quarter of the season has been top class.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Slava

FSG has put Liverpool up for sale today. I can ply which shady sports washing group wants to buy them!

This is actually pretty sad for all soccer fans.

Its essentially FSG throwing their hands in the air and saying:

EPL Clubs cannot be run as businesses and be successful. Successful EPL clubs are now the exclusive domain of Oligarchs, Despots and dirty money.

They bought it for £300M and apparently value it now 12 years later at £4B.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Locke

This is actually pretty sad for all soccer fans.

Its essentially FSG throwing their hands in the air and saying:

EPL Clubs cannot be run as businesses and be successful. Successful EPL clubs are now the exclusive domain of Oligarchs, Despots and dirty money.

They bought it for £300M and apparently value it now 12 years later at £4B.

It's definitely sad for Spurs because ENIC isn't going to spend like your new Qatari (or whatever nation state) owners. Maybe someone here should infiltrate AIMCO and we could own an EPL club though?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Slava

It's definitely sad for Spurs because ENIC isn't going to spend like your new Qatari (or whatever nation state) owners. Maybe someone here should infiltrate AIMCO and we could own an EPL club though?

AIMCO actually still needs to make money, the Qataris and Saudis are trying to make money disappear.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Locke

This is actually pretty sad for all soccer fans.

Its essentially FSG throwing their hands in the air and saying:

EPL Clubs cannot be run as businesses and be successful. Successful EPL clubs are now the exclusive domain of Oligarchs, Despots and dirty money.

They bought it for £300M and apparently value it now 12 years later at £4B.

Is that what they are saying?

Or are they saying we just made 4B on a 300M investment and are cashing out while the team value is high and we are performing well.

[MegaErtz]

Have to give FSG credit for everything they’d done. Recruiting great players, a great manager, a huge new stand at Anfield.

Sadly Manchester City and Newcastle are going to dominate until the rules are changed to prevent sportswashing.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Is that what they are saying?

Or are they saying we just made 4B on a 300M investment and are cashing out while the team value is high and we are performing well.

I think it is. Look at the model that FSG uses for all of their other businesses.

If they just wanted to make a ton of cash and ride off into the sunset they could be selling all kinds of assets, the Red Sox, they havent owned the Penguins that long, you get the idea though.

Selling off assets, even after significant appreciation is not really their MO.

They typically purchase, invest, grow and hold.

[Slava]

I wasn't happy with Spurs crashing out of the Carabao Cup on day one, but frankly seeing that every team in London is out is pretty funny. I guess at least we lost to a PL team and not to Blackburn or something more embarrassing, but it does suck.

They were meeting (yesterday I think) to discuss a number of things including no more replays in the FA Cup and teams in Europe playing U21 sides in the Carabao.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Locke

I think it is. Look at the model that FSG uses for all of their other businesses.

If they just wanted to make a ton of cash and ride off into the sunset they could be selling all kinds of assets, the Red Sox, they havent owned the Penguins that long, you get the idea though.

Selling off assets, even after significant appreciation is not really their MO.

They typically purchase, invest, grow and hold.

I personally think it might mean that they don't see a ton of growth in TV revenue.

Understand that to grow revenue further they probably need to make infrastructure investments to the stadium (which is expensive).

And that they still will need to spend to be a competitive team longer term and keep the market value high, and keep getting that champions league money.

I think they made the Super League play to try to lock in that champions league type of money longer term, and when that fell through this was the next step.

And they are probably right - I think that Liverpool's valuation is probably overvalued at $4B, and that growth like they saw in the last couple years wasn't going to happen again.

I could honestly see them selling Liverpool, and then buying a different team (in EPL or another league) in a couple years to try to take advantage of the same thing (buy low and sell high with stronger management and investment)

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Have to give FSG credit for everything they’d done. Recruiting great players, a great manager, a huge new stand at Anfield.

Whilst Everton put up a brand new stadium.

And we're having at least our loss wasn't the worst posts now?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Brentford with the upset of the season, and deserved too. Maybe it really just is Arsenal's year.

[devo22]

happy for Kevin de Diver.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Ivan "shoulda made World Cup" Toney is legit.
Southgate is an idiot.

[Bagor]

PL players at the WC.

Looks like guestimating who's going to start and how far countries will go that United will be hit hardest. Liverpool have nothing to complain about.

Total players selected 123

(last updated 12 November, 09:00 GMT)

AFC Bournemouth
2 players: Chris Mepham, Kieffer Moore (Wales).

Arsenal
9 players: Gabriel Jesus, Gabriel Martinelli (both Brazil), Takehiro Tomiyasu (Japan), Granit Xhaka (Switzerland), William Saliba (France), Matt Turner (USA), Aaron Ramsdale, Ben White, Bukayo Saka (all England).

Aston Villa
4 players: Leander Dendoncker (Belgium), Jan Bednarek, Matty Cash (both Poland), Emiliano Martinez (Argentina).

Brentford
4 players: Mikkel Damsgaard, Mathias Jensen (both Denmark), Bryan Mbeumo (Cameroon), David Raya (Spain).

Brighton
4 players: Kauro Mitoma (Japan), Leandro Trossard (Belgium), Robert Sanchez (Spain), Alexis Mac Allister (Argentina).

Chelsea
12 players: Mateo Kovacic (Croatia), Thiago Silva (Brazil), Denis Zakaria (Switzerland), Christian Pulisic (USA), Hakim Ziyech (Morocco), Kai Havertz (Germany), Mason Mount, Conor Gallagher, Raheem Sterling (all England), Edouard Mendy, Kalidou Koulibaly (both Senegal), Cesar Azpilicueta (Spain).

Crystal Palace
1 player: Joachim Andersen (Denmark).

Everton
4 players: Jordan Pickford (England), Amadou Onana (Belgium), Conor Coady (England), Idrissa Gana Gueye (Senegal).

Fulham
6 players: Harry Wilson, Daniel James (both Wales), Tim Ream, Antonee Robinson (both USA) Joao Palhinha (Portugal), Aleksandar Mitrovic (Serbia).

Leeds United
3 players: Rasmus Kristensen (Denmark), Brenden Aaronson, Tyler Adams (both USA).

Leicester City
6 players: Danny Ward (Wales), Wout Faes, Timothy Castagne, Youri Tielemans (all Belgium), James Maddison (England), Nampalys Mendy (Senegal).

Liverpool
7 players: Alisson, Fabinho (both Brazil), Ibrahima Konate (France), Trent Alexander-Arnold, Jordan Henderson (both England), Darwin Nunez (Uruguay), Virgil van Dijk (Netherlands).

Man City
16 players: Manuel Akanji (Switzerland), Ederson (Brazil), Kevin De Bruyne (Belgium), Ilkay Gundogan (Germany), John Stones, Kyle Walker, Kalvin Phillips, Phil Foden, Jack Grealish (all England), Joao Cancelo, Ruben Dias, Bernardo Silva (all Portugal), Nathan Ake (Netherlands), Aymeric Laporte and Rodri (both Spain), Julian Alvarez (Argentina).

Man Utd
14 players: Antony, Casemiro, Fred (all Brazil), Christian Eriksen (Denmark), Raphael Varane (France), Harry Maguire, Luke Shaw, Marcus Rashford (all England), Diogo Dalot, Bruno Fernandes, Cristiano Ronaldo (all Portugal), Facundo Pellistri (Uruguay), Tyrell Malacia (Netherlands), Lisandro Martinez (Argentina).

Newcastle United
5 players: Bruno Guimaraes (Brazil), Fabian Schar (Switzerland), Nick Pope, Kieran Trippier, Callum Wilson (all England).

Nottingham Forest
5 players: Remo Freuler (Switzerland), Wayne Hennessey, Neco Williams, Brennan Johnson (all Wales), Cheikhou Kouyate (Senegal).

Southampton
1 player: Armel Bella-Kotchap (Germany).

Tottenham Hotspur
11 players: Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg (Denmark), Ivan Perisic (Croatia), Richarlison (Brazil), Ben Davies (Wales), Hugo Lloris (France), Eric Dier, Harry Kane (both England), Rodrigo Bentancur (Uruguay), Pape Matar Sarr (Senegal), Cristian Romero (Argentina), Son Heung-min (South Korea).

West Ham United
5 players: Lucas Paqueta (Brazil), Alphonse Areola (France), Nayef Aguerd (Morocco), Thilo Kehrer (Germany), Declan Rice (England).

Wolverhampton Wanderers
3 players: Matheus Nunes, Ruben Neves, Jose Sa (all Portugal), Hwang Hee-chan (South Korea).

https://www.premierleague.com/news/2...(South%20Korea).

[Slava]

Quite a raucous ending to Newcastle/Chelsea, but always good to see Chelsea lose, even if it to Saudi Arabia.