[Signing] Bruins sign Mitchell Miller UPDATE: Rescinded

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

How about we also judge him on what he has done since he was 14. Maybe look at how he has treated other persons of colour, those with learning disabilities, teammates, classmates etc…. This would tell everyone if he has changed, learn, grown.

This is where he could have done more.
Upon the original draft scenario he should have outlined, with clarity:
- These are things I'm going to do.
- This is when I'm going to do them

And then he should then be able to outline if he did or did not live up to those commitments.

I've seen nothing like that. Have you?

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The Athletic has a new piece up today with more details from the victims family

https://theathletic.com/3766096/2022...shared_article

Yet another single source article with Joni Meyer-Crothers. For a lady who claims digging this trauma back up in the media over and over is painful for her son, she sure likes to give interviews about it.

[Sofa GM]

This is all getting blown out of control. The NHL and teams have always continued to employ POS humans regardless of their actions and they decide to make this kid an example??? Just recent and not too distant past examples,

Evander Kane
Jake Virtanen
Ian Cole
Anthony DeAngelo
Slava Voynov
Semyon Varlamov

Come on, this is nothing compared to what the above list of players did, especially considering it happened as a teenager. There is an obvious reason why this is getting the headlines and it has absolutely nothing to do with bullying. The NHL continues to be the league of the Double Standard.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Yet another single source article with Joni Meyer-Crothers. For a lady who claims digging this trauma back up in the media over and over is painful for her son, she sure likes to give interviews about it.

Not as much as you like going after her.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

How do you know? Maybe he took in the information, re-evaluated his position, and it didn’t change his outlook?

Your challenge of “have you ever thought you might be wrong?” was bizarre and I stated why. You’d have to either not have read Jiri’s post as the words he used have actual meaning, or just assumed he’s an narcissist, an idiot, or both to think “have you ever thought you might be wrong” is a meaningful thing to ask. I think the vast majority of people in the world understand that the possibility of them being wrong exists on any given subject. But maybe you’ve just chosen to dispel that information instead of re-evaluating your challenge. A poor reaction from you, I think. Or something.

I never said "have you ever thought you might be wrong". I literally did not say that. You need to step back from the ledge here, and maybe think about the irony of suggesting I hadn't read his post.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

This is all getting blown out of control. The NHL and teams have always continued to employ POS humans regardless of their actions and they decide to make this kid an example??? Just recent and not too distant past examples,

Evander Kane
Jake Virtanen
Ian Cole
Anthony DeAngelo
Slava Voynov

Come on, this is nothing compared to what the above list of players did, especially considering it happened as a teenager. There is an obvious reason why this is getting the headlines and it has absolutely nothing to do with bullying. The NHL continues to be the league of the Double Standard.

This isn't true with Voynov. The NHL has specifically not allowed him back in.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

you are assuming I didn't re-evaluate.
I have read a lot about this signing and the people involved. The new information that has come out doesn't lead me to change my stance.

Don't make assumptions about how people arrived at their conclusions. Just because we arrived at different places, doesn't mean that I didn't look at the new information.

I did.
To me it reinforces that this guy should not have been signed. I see nothing that would cause me to change my view.

See, now this is a reasonable response to my post. Thanks Jiri.

My reaction was to the fact that you responded VERY quickly to his post with the letter - didn't seem like a whole lot of reconsidering, from where I sat. But fair enough if you feel you did.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

This isn't true with Voynov. The NHL has specifically not allowed him back in.

Sorry I may be mistaken on that one, I thought he did come back and play again. My mistake. I did add Semyon Varlamov to the list though. I think the point is made

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

This is where he could have done more.
Upon the original draft scenario he should have outlined, with clarity:
- These are things I'm going to do.
- This is when I'm going to do them

And then he should then be able to outline if he did or did not live up to those commitments.

I've seen nothing like that. Have you?

He has reportedly done community service, diversity training and mental health treatment while in the USHL:

“When we decided to bring him back it wasn’t a situation where, ‘Hey, this a guy that we didn’t know, but hey he’s a really good hockey player, so we’re going to bring him in here.’ This is a guy we’ve known for years. He’s a guy that’s sat in our locker room for an entire season. He’s a guy I’ve coached on a U.S. National team. He’s a guy that I’ve stayed in touch with even as he moved on. And we knew the person that we had met, the person we had known over the course of multiple teams and multiple years. We were able to convey that to the USHL and saying, ‘Hey, this is why we’re bringing him back. We believe in this kid. We don’t think this is the end-all-be-all of his story.’ And we put a plan together in place for his personal development, off-ice community service, diversity training, mental health stuff for himself personally, as far as people to talk to. We really just thought that we dealt with the league — and I give our commissioner a ton of credit, I give our front office and our league a ton of credit because when we put the plan together we just thought, ‘This is what our league exists for.’ This is what, to me, coaching exists for. This is what leadership exists for. Not to have a final ruling and judgement on someone for what they did in the past, but let’s try and help them to be better suited for their future. I don’t know if he’ll ever be able to fix what happened in the past, but I don’t think it should be the end all story of someone for what they did at 14-years-old. No matter what they did. I don’t think it can be the end all be all. Maybe that’s just the way I’m built mentally. I’m an optimist. I believe that people can change. I believe that people can grow. If we didn’t believe in that then what’s the purpose of sports? What’s the purpose of what we do in life? If you can’t get better and you can’t grow and learn from your mistakes — no matter how horrible they are. And I think, again, the league liked the plan we put together, we stayed on top of it and at the end of the day, I think anyone that actually knows Mitchell and actually got to experience him in his time here in Kearney — I’ve never heard anyone say anything but overly positive stuff. From the people in community outreach that he was involved in, his billet family, his teammates, his coaches, people that are a part of our support staff, our bus driver, our trainer, our media guy, everybody just has overwhelming positive things to say about their personal interaction with him. When he would sit after a game for an hour every single home game and sign every autograph until fans were gone. I guarantee if you talk to those people and ask them what they think, they’d say probably the same thing, ‘Listen, we don’t agree with what’s happened in the past, but that was a pretty nice kid, pretty outgoing kid, pretty well-spoken kid when we got to meet him in our community.’ Now, again, I think he’s going to continue to have to work on his personal development. He’s going to have to continue to prove that that’s not who he is now — what he did in the past. And, again, I don’t think it will ever make up for it, but I do like to believe that he could have a better future because of the time he spent with us in Kearney and in Tri-City and because of how hard he worked at his personal development over the time here. I know this, everyone in our organization is rooting for him and we certainly believe in him.”

‘This
is what our league exists for’: Tri-City Storm coach addresses Miller’s past
controversy

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I never said "have you ever thought you might be wrong". I literally did not say that. You need to step back from the ledge here, and maybe think about the irony of suggesting I hadn't read his post.

Yes, you said “Or - and I know this is a radical thought here - it might be possible that your assessment of the situation (based on extremely limited facts) is not entirely accurate.” which, in simpler phrasing, is “have you thought you might be wrong.” I didn’t think I needed to repeat your entire post word for word for you but I’m fine doing that in the future if it helps.

Nobody is on a ledge. There is no irony here, you’re just being obtuse for reason. But it’s nice you half-apologised to Jiri so I don’t see a reason to go on about it.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Not as much as you like going after her.

What have I said about her? I'm pointing out that the media coverage of this whole thing is single sourced from one lady. If you Google search news about this you will be hard pressed to find anything other than joni meyer-crothors quotes. Which should be a clue for any critical thinker, but I leave that as an exercise for the reader.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Yes, you said “Or - and I know this is a radical thought here - it might be possible that your assessment of the situation (based on extremely limited facts) is not entirely accurate.” which, in simpler phrasing, is “have you thought you might be wrong.” I didn’t think I needed to repeat your entire post word for word for you but I’m fine doing that in the future if it helps.

Nobody is on a ledge. There is no irony here, you’re just being obtuse for reason. But it’s nice you half-apologised to Jiri so I don’t see a reason to go on about it.

I am not being obtuse. You were way over the top here.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by cannon7

What have I said about her? I'm pointing out that the media coverage of this whole thing is single sourced from one lady. If you Google search news about this you will be hard pressed to find anything other than joni meyer-crothors quotes. Which should be a clue for any critical thinker, but I leave that as an exercise for the reader.

5 of your last 7 posts in this thread have been about her. You like talking about her and bringing her up.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Yes, you said “Or - and I know this is a radical thought here - it might be possible that your assessment of the situation (based on extremely limited facts) is not entirely accurate.” which, in simpler phrasing, is “have you thought you might be wrong.” I didn’t think I needed to repeat your entire post word for word for you but I’m fine doing that in the future if it helps.

Nobody is on a ledge. There is no irony here, you’re just being obtuse for reason. But it’s nice you half-apologised to Jiri so I don’t see a reason to go on about it.

Also, the bold is just the kind of condescending garbage that you would be quick to attack others for.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I am not being obtuse. You were way over the top here.

You can describe your behaviour however makes you feel comfortable with it then. Not a big deal.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Also, the bold is just the kind of condescending garbage that you would be quick to attack others for.

Not condescending. Being honest. However you’d like me to interact so you don’t miss what I’m saying, let me know. Happy to help.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

5 of your last 7 posts in this thread have been about her. You like talking about her and bringing her up.

Again, I am pointing out a significant flaw in the the reporting of this story. Multiple posters in this thread have reiterated that the Ohio magistrate that ordered Miller to write an apology letter didn't think Miller showed remorse. Yet the source of this information is one person, and it isn't the magistrate. Why not reach out to the magistrate for a quote? Can't do that. Why not reach out to the Bruins to verify that they did not contact Meyer-Crothors before signing Miller? Can't do that, either, I guess. And to think people hold The Athletic in high repute...

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You can describe your behaviour however makes you feel comfortable with it then. Not a big deal.

Not condescending. Being honest. However you’d like me to interact so you don’t miss what I’m saying, let me know. Happy to help.

Maybe a bit of a lack of self awareness today - read your post again. Maybe it's time to take a break.

[ikaris]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Why not reach out to the Bruins to verify that they did not contact Meyer-Crothors before signing Miller?

According to this:

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/...-contract-nhl/

In their “dd” for some reason they didn’t reach out to the victim. I wonder why.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by ikaris

According to this:

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/...-contract-nhl/

In their “dd” for some reason they didn’t reach out to the victim. I wonder why.

I am not claiming the Bruins did attempt to contact Meyer-Crothors. I am pointing out that The Athletic didn't attempt any thing resembling journalism here.

[Drake]

@JeffMarek:
As I mentioned on Hockey Night yesterday AHL President Scott Howson will meet with Mitchell Miller this week (Thursday, I believe). That conversation will start the process of determining if he can play in the AHL or not.