[Signing] Bruins sign Mitchell Miller UPDATE: Rescinded

[traptor]

Originally Posted by fulham

There is nothing he can do at this point. He has apologized yet everyone subjectively says "it wasn't genuine".

If he apologizes again it will be thrown in his face, as "too late" and "only so that he could get signed'

The mother of the kid seems happy to drag out this public punishment for years.

The Canadians signed their sex criminal prospect. All of the active players from the Hockey Canada scandal(including our guy) are still playing making millions.

So clearly the rule is everything goes except what this one kid did as a POS 14 year old.

It should be too late. He permanently ####ed his NHL career. NHL is an entertainment business and the fans are clients. Players should have to have a good image as a job requirement.

Formenton is out... could be related to that scandal. If it's found that they sexually assaulted that girl then they shouldn't be in the league. Logan wasn't charged with assault, but yeah not sure about him. We have to draw the line somewhere. Is it murder, rape or assault?

Miller could still play in lesser pro leagues or go to university or get a regular job. His life isn't over, he's not getting hanged or put in jail.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You are talking about taking actions that destroy people's lives – the same kind of actions that nearly destroyed my life once. It is absolutely worth any amount of anger and aggressiveness to challenge that and throw in some people's faces just what disgusting behaviour they are engaging in.

‘One strike and you're out’ is how people end up in poverty for life, often ending in suicide.

You people are not God. You do not have the right to send anyone to hell.

Again: it might be good for you to just log off for a little bit. This is clearly a very emotional topic for you and the way you are posting right now it's not going to go anywhere good. I'm trying to help you out.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by traptor

It should be too late. He permanently ####ed his NHL career. NHL is an entertainment business and the fans are clients. Players should have to have a good image as a job requirement.

Formenton is out... could be related to that scandal. If it's found that they sexually assaulted that girl then they shouldn't be in the league. Logan wasn't charged with assault, but yeah not sure about him. We have to draw the line somewhere. Is it murder, rape or assault?

Miller could still play in lesser pro leagues or go to university or get a regular job. His life isn't over, he's not getting hanged or put in jail.

I agree with the guys that were 18/19 years old and on major junior hockey teams representing Canada. Charge them and ban them for life if they assaulted that girl.

But this was in grade 8 and the kid was 13 years old, the victims parents say it started in grade 2 when he would have been 7...people have to see there is a difference here. IMO the fault lies more with Mitchell Miller's parents than him at this point.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by traptor

It should be too late. He permanently ####ed his NHL career. NHL is an entertainment business and the fans are clients. Players should have to have a good image as a job requirement.

Formenton is out... could be related to that scandal. If it's found that they sexually assaulted that girl then they shouldn't be in the league. Logan wasn't charged with assault, but yeah not sure about him. We have to draw the line somewhere. Is it murder, rape or assault?

Miller could still play in lesser pro leagues or go to university or get a regular job. His life isn't over, he's not getting hanged or put in jail.

You're either forgetting, ignoring or conveniently omitting the fact he was 12 years old... and younger....

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Again: it might be good for you to just log off for a little bit. This is clearly a very emotional topic for you and the way you are posting right now it's not going to go anywhere good. I'm trying to help you out.

You're coming across very condescending here. I sincerely hope you're not doing it on purpose, and for now I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

I can understand the victim being so vindictive that he wants Mitchell never to have a chance at a job he's good at. I can understand the victim's family feeling that way. But it horrifies me to see people completely unconnected with the situation demanding iifelong vengeance for something they were not even involved in.

The behaviour of some posters in this thread literally makes me sick to my stomach. I don't know how to deal with it except by yelling at some of you to wake the hell up and consider what you're wishing on a fellow human being.

[PepsiFree]

Hilarious at the dramatics of people acting like it’s the NHL or a lifetime of working McDonalds at best. “If we don’t accept him into the NHL as fans, he might work at McDonalds… or… or he might DIE! ALONE! SUICIDE!! You people might as well say you love the gulag!”

Honestly, get over yourselves. You’re at least as ridiculous as you’re trying to make the “banned for life” crowd seem. Probably much worse but I feel like being nice. Please pick a topic where you’re less inclined to bring whatever weird person baggage you have to it.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I agree with the guys that were 18/19 years old and on major junior hockey teams representing Canada. Charge them and ban them for life if they assaulted that girl.

But this was in grade 8 and the kid was 13 years old, the victims parents say it started in grade 2 when he would have been 7...people have to see there is a difference here. IMO the fault lies more with Mitchell Miller's parents than him at this point.

So if he did this to your child and showed no remorse afterwards, you’d be ok with him playing in the NHL?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The behaviour of some posters in this thread literally makes me sick to my stomach. I don't know how to deal with it except by yelling at some of you to wake the hell up and consider what you're wishing on a fellow human being.

You’re sick to your stomach because people hope he doesn’t play in the NHL?

Oh nooooo, the horrorrrrr. He’ll be just like everyone eeeeelse. Somebody saaaave him.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

So if he did this to your child and showed no remorse afterwards, you’d be ok with him playing in the NHL?

If he did it when he was 13/14 years old, and was now playing hockey when he was 20+ years old then yeah I'd probably be able to get over it.

And here's the thing. I wouldn't expect the victims parents to ever forgive him, and fully understand why they feel the way they do.

But honestly I also don't think we should let the victims or his parents be the ones that get to determine what Miller does for the rest of his life, they are rightfully and justifiably biased in this situation.

I also don't think it's fair to take the victims mothers word of him never being "remorseful" as gospel here, once again they are justifiably biased and hate Miller for what he did. As somebody else posted it's at the point now where if he apologizes then he's only doing it because of damage control, and if he doesn't then he's a jerk.

He did what the Ohio justice system determined he needed to do when he was 14 years old. That was his punishment. He lost his NCAA scholarship, also a form of punishment. He has to wear this for the rest of his life, and he will have to live with this forever now, and it will come up whenever somebody googles his name or does a background check.

But does something he did when he was 14 mean that he should be banned from the NHL and no team should ever be able to give him a contract, absolutely not.

Like I said if he got accused of doing this when he was 18/19/20 years old then sure, but there has to be some type understanding that we can't hold people to what they do when they are in grades 2 through 8 and punish them for the rest of their lives because of that.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

If he did it when he was 13/14 years old, and was now playing hockey when he was 20+ years old then yeah I'd probably be able to get over it.

And here's the thing. I wouldn't expect the victims parents to ever forgive him, and fully understand why they feel the way they do.

But honestly I also don't think we should let the victims or his parents be the ones that get to determine what Miller does for the rest of his life, they are rightfully and justifiably biased in this situation.

I also don't think it's fair to take the victims mothers word of him never being "remorseful" as gospel here, once again they are justifiably biased and hate Miller for what he did. As somebody else posted it's at the point now where if he apologizes then he's only doing it because of damage control, and if he doesn't then he's a jerk.

He did what the Ohio justice system determined he needed to do when he was 14 years old. That was his punishment. He also has to wear this for the rest of his life, and he will have to live with this forever now, and it will come up whenever somebody googles his name.

But does something he did when he was 14 mean that he should be banned from the NHL and no team should ever be able to give him a contract, absolutely not.

So what about the magistrate that presided over the case saying that he clearly showed no remorse for his actions. The family is also quick to say that the other boy involved clearly showed remorse and the family forgave him, but Mitchell Miller actually continued taunting him afterwards.

And through all that you still think he shouldn’t be judged for his actions?

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Hilarious at the dramatics of people acting like it’s the NHL or a lifetime of working McDonalds at best. “If we don’t accept him into the NHL as fans, he might work at McDonalds… or… or he might DIE! ALONE! SUICIDE!! You people might as well say you love the gulag!”

Honestly, get over yourselves. You’re at least as ridiculous as you’re trying to make the “banned for life” crowd seem. Probably much worse but I feel like being nice. Please pick a topic where you’re less inclined to bring whatever weird person baggage you have to it.

So what does the CP jury decide is appropriate punishment for the actions of a 12 year old? Keep in mind, that had he killed someone at this age, he would be out of prison by now with no criminal record.

"We the CP jury have come to the conclusion that the defendant can achieve the career level of______ and his annual salary cannot exceed $____ for the actions he committed during years 8 through 13 of his life."

[Jordan!]

He's a garbage person and will always be garbage.

Starting with his parents.

Bad move by the Bruins, This draft pick was all Steve Sullivan trying to make the Yotes look bad btw.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

So what does the CP jury decide is appropriate punishment for the actions of a 12 year old? Keep in mind, that had he killed someone at this age, he would be out of prison by now with no criminal record.

"We the CP jury have come to the conclusion that the defendant can achieve the career level of______ and his annual salary cannot exceed $____ for the actions he committed during years 8 through 13 of his life."

You understand that what individuals here think actually doesn’t matter, right? It didn’t stop him from being signed? You’re just weirdly upset that it everyone is stoked about it or something? Why?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

So what about the magistrate that presided over the case saying that he clearly showed no remorse for his actions. The family is also quick to say that the other boy involved clearly showed remorse and the family forgave him, but Mitchell Miller actually continued taunting him afterwards.

And through all that you still think he shouldn’t be judged for his actions?

He was still 14 at that time when the court case happened in Ohio.

14. YEARS. OLD.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be judged. I'm saying there shouldn't be some lifetime repercussions over something you do when you're 8-14 years old in grade 2 to grade 8.

I'm also fine with people saying "I wouldn't want my team to sign him". That's perfectly fair too, but to say he never deserves another shot because something that happened in middle school doesn't sit well with me.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You’re sick to your stomach because people hope he doesn’t play in the NHL?

I'm sick to my stomach because people want him in jail. I'm sick because people are saying ‘One strike and you're out’. I'm sick because people are screaming for vengeance online over a case that is none of their damned business.

But you go ahead and completely misinterpret everything I'm saying, because that will save you from ever having to look in the mirror.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You are talking about taking actions that destroy people's lives – the same kind of actions that nearly destroyed my life once. It is absolutely worth any amount of anger and aggressiveness to challenge that and throw in some people's faces just what disgusting behaviour they are engaging in.

‘One strike and you're out’ is how people end up in poverty for life, often ending in suicide.

You people are not God. You do not have the right to send anyone to hell.

The hell are you talking about man. You haven't had anything positive to say in months.

It's a dicey topic due to the age but I certainly wouldn't want him on my team.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

He's a garbage person and will always be garbage.

You know who's garbage? People who think that they can judge other people as garbage, and claim they are incapable of ever improving.

Look in the goddamn mirror.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by calumniate

The hell are you talking about man. You haven't had anything positive to say in months.

Wrong. In fact, on some topics I've been almost in dino7c's class, getting ridiculed for looking at the bright side of things. But you see what you want to see.

It's a dicey topic due to the age but I certainly wouldn't want him on my team.

But do you want to forbid another team from deciding that they do want him? That's what people are demanding here.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You're coming across very condescending here. I sincerely hope you're not doing it on purpose, and for now I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

I'm not being condescending in the least.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

You're either forgetting, ignoring or conveniently omitting the fact he was 12 years old... and younger....

Is what you bolded wrong? His career is ####ed by his actions. Fairly or unfairly he might never play in the NHL because of the things he did, the things he didn't do and the reaction from the fans. Even if he makes it, his career will always be tarnished by this.

He was found guilty of assault for doing a despicable act on another individual. He also allegedly continued intense bullying on this individual for many years and never showed genuine remorse. The mother of the victim states that she believes people can grow and that the other individual that was also found guilty of assault showed up to their house and showed true remorse. I don't think that is a ridiculous standard to achieve but I do believe it is too late for it to come across as genuine since it is only happening because his NHL career is on the line. The time came and passed to make his amends and he missed it.

Lots of kids don't make the NHL every year for a variety of reasons. Maybe they weren't disciplined with their training, they partied too much or had a bad timing injury. It's a high standard to achieve and not the end of the world if they don't make it.