[Signing] Bruins sign Mitchell Miller UPDATE: Rescinded

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Calling him a 'child' is pretty misleading. He was in the 8th grade. He knew what he was doing.

He wasn't old enough to be tried in adult court. Legally, he was a child. But hey, screw him, this isn't about legal punishment, this is about people who were never involved making themselves feel righteous by taking revenge.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by neo45

No issue with someone thinking this is premature or that the opportunity hasn’t been earned.

It’s the “one strike”, “no second chances”, “lifetime ban” crowd that I take issue with.

Fair enough. I'm usually a second chances kind of guy, but this case is particular disturbing. And not just the actions taken, but the seemingly contradictions in him apologizing or not apologizing to the victim and family, and apparent lack of remorse after the fact. It's all disturbing and I feel like that kind of person shouldn't be allowed in the NHL.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by neo45

I never did anything as bad as Omar Khadr did when I was a kid either. Doesn’t mean I want him punished for life

This “punishment over rehabilitation and zero second chances” mindset I see on here is pretty troubling.

Jiri must love the US prison system and be disgusted with what’s going on in Europe. Lower re-offense rates be damned

Who is talking about this guy going to prison?
We are talking about him not having the opportunity to play in the NHL.
Lot of ground in between those two things.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Well said. People can disgust what he did all they want - I certainly do. But the reprehensible actions of an adolescent should not ruin their lives indefinitely. Especially if there are clear indications that the person has taken steps to learn and improve. The fact is that nobody here can claim to know the lengths the player has gone to in order to make actual improvements. Claiming to know based off of cherry picking a few articles online is nothing but pathetic virtue signaling.

There's no way that the NHL and Bruins haven't gone to great lengths to dig on this player, a lot more than the fly by online analyst for sure. You certainly don't have to like it, but people can certainly can give the Bruins and all involved the benefit of the doubt that after 4 years some major growth and learning has taken place.

Not being able to play in the NHL doesn't mean his life is ruined. He could still go play in the KHL or get a full scholarship at a university. That is way more opportunity than most people get.

People are assessing based on the information available. If the NHL or Bruins don't want that outcry then they should release all this indepth research they have done. It is an entertainment business, the fans are the clients and can have an opinion of whatever they want about the league.

The mother of the assaulted victim clearly claims that Miller has never shown any true remorse. She also states that the other bully that also got charged did come by and apologize and she accepted that as real remorse.
Miller apologized last week (wonder why?????) through instagram. Doesn't seem that genuine especially given the fact that Miller was found guilty of assault and the alleged length these antics went on for.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

For something he did when he was a child?? Can't play pro hockey because as a 10 year old he used words he likely didn't know the meanings, consequences and origins of? He punched a kid that he didn't understand or comprehend he was different than?

So you want him to work at McDonalds? Can he get promoted to drive through supervisor or is he stuck wiping tables and mopping the bathroom for eternity? He can go to school to be accountant but does he have to work at H&R Block in the Wal Mart kiosk for all time or can he become a partner at MNP? I'd like to see where you determine he is allowed to peak.

He did a lot more than punch the kid
Again a lot of room between not being an NHL player and working at McDs.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Calling him a 'child' is pretty misleading. He was in the 8th grade. He knew what he was doing.

For the bullying, assaulting and racist language I have no problem with giving him no second chances when it comes to an NHL career. There are plenty of other careers he can chase, what he did was disturbing and awful.

Really? I was 12 in grade 8, if that is not a child I don't know what is.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Apparently no one can ever be forgiven for anything. So hey, let him just die, right?

Not for being a racist piece of garbage that's for sure. This guy doesn't deserve a second chance in the NHL he can go get that second chance collecting garbage or bagging groceries for all I care but he should not be making million in the NHL.

What a stupid and random signing.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

People like you declared me a permanent waste of space when I was 14. I was suicidal for years, and was prevented from getting the high-school education I was supposedly legally entitled to receive, because I kicked a garbage can in response to being bullied. But hey, one strike and you're out.

Eff you.

i don't see the comparison between you kicking a garage can in response to being bullied and the horrific things this guy did.

But eff you too Jay.

[Jay Random]

Question:

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Who is talking about this guy going to prison?

Answer:

Originally Posted by kobasew19

People like him should be in jail to rehabilitate before integrating back into society.

Read the damn thread. Or better yet, don't, because it obviously makes you feel wonderfully self-righteous to shoot your mouth off.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by traptor

not being able to play in the nhl doesn't mean his life is ruined. He could still go play in the khl or get a full scholarship at a university. that is way more opportunity than most people get.

People are assessing based on the information available. If the nhl or bruins don't want that outcry then they should release all this indepth research they have done. It is an entertainment business, the fans are the clients and can have an opinion of whatever they want about the league.

The mother of the assaulted victim clearly claims that miller has never shown any true remorse. She also states that the other bully that also got charged did come by and apologize and she accepted that as real remorse.
Miller apologized last week (wonder why?????) through instagram. Doesn't seem that genuine especially given the fact that miller was found guilty of assault and the alleged length these antics went on for.

Nope!

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

He wasn't old enough to be tried in adult court. Legally, he was a child. But hey, screw him, this isn't about legal punishment, this is about people who were never involved making themselves feel righteous by taking revenge.

In my post I said calling him a child was misleading since I don't think of 8th graders as children. I never said he wasn't legally a child.

As for the rest of your post, I'm not sure what lashing out by quoting my post has to do with anything. We're all just a bunch of strangers discussing this on a hockey fan site. What we say has no bearing on anything in this particular case.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Question:



Answer:



Read the damn thread. Or better yet, don't, because it obviously makes you feel wonderfully self-righteous to shoot your mouth off.

OK but I didn't say it. And I was replying to this:

"Jiri must love the US prison system and be disgusted with what’s going on in Europe. Lower re-offense rates be damned"

[fulham]

There is nothing he can do at this point. He has apologized yet everyone subjectively says "it wasn't genuine".

If he apologizes again it will be thrown in his face, as "too late" and "only so that he could get signed'

The mother of the kid seems happy to drag out this public punishment for years.

The Canadians signed their sex criminal prospect. All of the active players from the Hockey Canada scandal(including our guy) are still playing making millions.

So clearly the rule is everything goes except what this one kid did as a POS 14 year old.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

In my post I said calling him a child was misleading since I don't think of 8th graders as children. I never said he wasn't legally a child.

As for the rest of your post, I'm not sure what lashing out by quoting my post has to do with anything. We're all just a bunch of strangers discussing this on a hockey fan site. What we say has no bearing on anything in this particular case.

No, but what you say has a lot of bearing in telling what kind of people you are. And a lot of you, it appears, are closet bullies who decide that someone is a bad guy and decide that he can never have any kind of redemption and must be punished forever.

Nuts to that. I've lived that one through, and I don't want to see it happen to anyone else. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy – or yours.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

OK but I didn't say it

So? You were implying that nobody said it. That was clearly a lie.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Read the damn thread. Or better yet, don't, because it obviously makes you feel wonderfully self-righteous to shoot your mouth off.

Jay it might be time to go for a walk or shut the computer off for a bit.

This is a discussion on a hockey site, it's not worth the amount of anger and aggressiveness you are showing right now.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Jay it might be time to go for a walk or shut the computer off for a bit.

This is a discussion on a hockey site, it's not worth the amount of anger and aggressiveness you are showing right now.

You are talking about taking actions that destroy people's lives – the same kind of actions that nearly destroyed my life once. It is absolutely worth any amount of anger and aggressiveness to challenge that and throw in some people's faces just what disgusting behaviour they are engaging in.

‘One strike and you're out’ is how people end up in poverty for life, often ending in suicide.

You people are not God. You do not have the right to send anyone to hell.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Calling him a 'child' is pretty misleading. He was in the 8th grade. He knew what he was doing.

For the bullying, assaulting and racist language I have no problem with giving him no second chances when it comes to an NHL career. There are plenty of other careers he can chase, what he did was disturbing and awful.

What? How is 8th grade "not a child". 12/13 years old is still a kid.

Should he have known better by that age, sure.

Should he never be given a second chance because of it, absolutely not.

If anything his parents were likely the problem with this scenario, and what drove his morals as a kid between the age of 8 and 14. This is what pushes kids like this to never actually improve themselves and just resent society.

I get why the other kids parents would never forgive him (and to me it sounds like no apology will ever actually meet what they are looking for) but I have tough time with people that seem so willing to just have a guy backlisted forever for what he did when he was in middle school.

Had this happened in grade 11/12 then maybe I could see it...but the focus for a kid who does something like this is rehabilitation and education why it was wrong, not blacklisting him for life and creating more resentment.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

So? You were implying that nobody said it. That was clearly a lie.

A lie? Jesus man calm down. You escalate every conversation you are involved with.
Clearly when I was saying "who is talking about prison" I was responding to someone suggesting I was talking that way.

Nevermind though. You make this site worse for me. Off to ignore you go.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

A lie? Jesus man calm down.

Has saying ‘calm down’ ever in recorded history caused someone to calm down? Not that I've ever heard of. You're just talking to make yourself feel superior – as usual.

You escalate every conversation you are involved with.

Another absolute lie.

Nevermind though. You make this site worse for me. Off to ignore you go.

You make society worse for everyone. I wish we could treat you in real life the way you want others to be treated.