Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[RedHot25]

Originally Posted by yoho

wait till you see what she has in store for you if she wins and has her way.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1588550364852539393

https://twitter.com/user/status/1588576126829723649

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

No I was not addressed directly, however the poster basically said they wondered if anyone who posted against the grain was a bot?

If you look back through this thread there has been plenty of UCP distaste. However plenty of comments that say things that support the thought that the poster would vote NDP. Many who have flat out stated that that’s where their intention to vote is.

What would you prefer to be besides alive and well? I’m quite happy being alive and well. I’m sorry you are offended by such comment.

The conversation has had plenty of Danielle Smith bashing due to her Sovereignty act. How is making a reference to Saskatchewans version of the same thing and my support of it not relevant to this thread? It simply states that while many of you oppose it, and think she is crazy for it, she is not alone now in wanting more sovereignty for an individual province. I hadn’t seen any discussion on it. I know this isn’t a Saskatchewan Politics thread, but with relation to current Alberta politics it is very relevant.

[Faust]

Rachel Notley @RachelNotley

Danielle Smith is going to actually try to find a way to destroy Calgary’s vital Green Line project after all these years.
#ableg #yyc #yyccc

https://twitter.com/rachelnotley/sta...323105281?s=21

[Fuzz]

That's OK, the north part was totally unnecessary. You can tell because our councilor has done less than zero to support it.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

That's OK, the north part was totally unnecessary. You can tell because our councilor has done less than zero to support it.

He was just trying to get the Russians to pay for it.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

That's OK, the north part was totally unnecessary. You can tell because our councilor has done less than zero to support it.

To be fair, neither has the City with them refusing to rank future Green Line stages in terms of transit project priority when the obvious Stage 2 option is Beddington. And Gondek, surprisingly hasn't done much with her mayoral influence considering her old ward was the one that needed it. Chu's doesn't need it as much because of bus coverage and relatively short distance to downtown.

Ultimately I guess nothing really matters until they can determine if they can build the central part without exceeding budget.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by accord1999

To be fair, neither has the City with them refusing to rank future Green Line stages in terms of transit project priority when the obvious Stage 2 option is Beddington. And Gondek, surprisingly hasn't done much with her mayoral influence considering her old ward was the one that needed it. Chu's doesn't need it as much because of bus coverage and relatively short distance to downtown.

Ultimately I guess nothing really matters until they can determine if they can build the central part without exceeding budget.

We live in Panorama, and had some friends recently move to Evanston. They were excited that they'd have a train stop near their house "in a few years"

[GirlySports]

So the north leg is vital? But nobody in council supports it? What Notley's point?



And this is Smith's article from 2020, when it was still a proposed full line from north to south.

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/co...ine-to-nowhere

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

We live in Panorama, and had some friends recently move to Evanston. They were excited that they'd have a train stop near their house "in a few years"

Haha! That reminds me of a recent article that had residents near your neighborhood lamenting a "Future Park N Ride" sign that has been there for nearly 30 years.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1584567138018156544

[PsYcNeT]

As someone living in "nowhere", #### Smith for that article and the general sentiment that a C-Train feeding the Central North would be a bad idea.

[Flames0910]

Notley's point is in the second tweet: stop ####ing with the green line and let the decision-makers in the city of Calgary decide what's best for the city of Calgary.

The train needs to go downtown. Yes it's expensive, but there's incredible value in going where the people are.

She’s going to throw more chaos into the project and potentially ruin it in the process.

The UCP’s continued ignorance to Calgary, it’s people and it’s economic future, knows no bounds.

https://twitter.com/RachelNotley/sta...32573340585986

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

As someone living in "nowhere", #### Smith for that article and the general sentiment that a C-Train feeding the Central North would be a bad idea.

but i think the point is, you'd want it to go to the airport as well

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

but i think the point is, you'd want it to go to the airport as well

Well I can completely understand then why they won't even break ground to start building the damn thing up to say, Beddington Trail before that portion of the plan is ironed out!

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

And this is Smith's article from 2020, when it was still a proposed full line from north to south.

In 2020, the "North" part of the Green Line was just to 16th Avenue, an almost useless terminus for NC Calgary. The true NC LRT was cut in the 2017 revision of the Green Line when Notley was Premier. If she wanted a meaningful NC LRT she could have offered $1.5B back then and that should have gotten to at least 64th.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

So the north leg is vital? But nobody in council supports it? What Notley's point?



And this is Smith's article from 2020, when it was still a proposed full line from north to south.

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/co...ine-to-nowhere

You have a non-champion in the form of Sean Chu. Maybe it needs to come in the form of a bribe or a teenager for him to take any interest.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

So the north leg is vital? But nobody in council supports it? What Notley's point?

Have we not learned our lessons from 7th Avenue, the LRT stretch from downtown to the south side of Cemetery Hill, and the stretch from Westbrook Station to 45th St. Station? These are all projects that should have been completely tunneled to open up proper TOD infrastructure development on the surface. Now, we get to wonder 'what if', and now have to consider spending even more money to rectify these problems because we couldn't properly plan for future growth and density. There was already discussion about tunneling 7th and the Stampede Station-Erlton stretch, and now we can't because it's simply too much now.

The downtown portion of the Green Line should be tunneled as much as possible, and this shouldn't even be up for debate. Do this project PROPERLY from the start, spend the money, and you'll be completely thanking yourself later. We are a cold-climate city and underground rail is essential for year-round usage, and we dually need the space at-grade for other transporation connections.

Value engineering is NOT what we should be doing here for this project. We ALWAYS, ALWAYS fall for this and then continually ask ourselves later 'why did we do that...'.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by Muta

The downtown portion of the Green Line should be tunneled as much as possible, and this shouldn't even be up for debate. Do this project PROPERLY from the start, spend the money, and you'll be completely thanking yourself later. We are a cold-climate city and underground rail is essential for year-round usage, and we dually need the space at-grade for other transporation connections.

Originally, the entire 4km stretch from 20th Ave N to 4th Street SE was tunneled and they were willing to spend $550M/km for it.

But due to geotechnical issues the risk and cost has become too high and the river crossing from Eau Claire will use a bridge and be at-grade on Centre Street N. And there's still a good chance that they still won't have enough money for that section, which is why it's Phase 2 of Stage 1.

We ALWAYS, ALWAYS fall for this and then continually ask ourselves later 'why did we do that...'.

Sometimes you have no choice, like when your 40 km for $4.6B project becomes 20 km for $4.6 B and then becomes <20 km for $5.5B.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

but i think the point is, you'd want it to go to the airport as well

Who's "you'd"? The daily ridership for the north line will vastly outnumber airport trips. Airport LRT is a nice to have for a city, it's by no means a necessity.

The ideal solution is already in the long term plan, a line that runs from the north green line to the airport and on to the NE line.

[Wormius]

An East-West path between future Blue and Green line end-points along Airport Trail could hit the airport.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by Wormius

An East-West path between future Blue and Green line end-points along Airport Trail could hit the airport.

The current plan is a separate people-mover line between a future 96th Avenue Green Line Station with a future 88th Avenue Blue Line Station.


https://pub-calgary.escribemeetings....umentId=145966