[PGT] Flames blow a 3rd period lead again, lose 5-4 to Seattle

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

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I appreciate that you are not my audience when discussing science and probabilities.

This is absolutely perfect Canadian passive aggression.

[browna]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I understand what you are going for

Your screenshot is from after the goal, not where the puck passed him

The shot was in the area around the glove, where there is some net, some glove

Vladar is at the top of the crease so about 22 feet from that shot location
If the shot is 80 mph, that is 117 feet per second

The puck is in the net .19 seconds after the shot

Let’s discuss reaction time - the eye sees, that signal goes to the brain, the brain reacts by delivering a signal to the hands, and the hands have to react with a specific muscle reaction.

That lag is typically about 200 ms, or .2 s.

It just didn’t hit his body or glove. Yeah, he could have been positioned differently. But wasn’t poorly positioned

Well placed shot

The screen shot is just as it left Soucy's stick, not after the goal.

Reaction time being what it is, a 6'5 goalie (before skates) should not be beaten high (with room to spare in this case) over the shoulder on a clean look shot, that he has time enough to be set for (and he was).

What's the point of being 6'5 goalie if you're going to be leaving 6-8 inches in the top of the 4ft high net?

[dino7c]

Flames allowed 5 high danger chances...they shouldn't have 5 goals against

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by browna

The screen shot is just as it left Soucy's stick, not after the goal.

Reaction time being what it is, a 6'5 goalie (before skates) should not be beaten high (with room to spare in this case) over the shoulder on a clean look shot, that he has time enough to be set for (and he was).

What's the point of being 6'5 goalie if you're going to be leaving 6-8 inches in the top of the 4ft high net?

The first goal went by his glove, not over his shoulder

And the point about reaction time is that even if you are set, there is only (percent of net covered by your entire body) chance of making the save

If the puck is on net and not hitting you, it’s a goal

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Dude. The Flames D was ####

Kadri’s turnover was egregious and the shot well placed

The other 2 goals in the third were unstoppable

I understand you were there, so you didn’t have a chance for multiple closer looks, that’s fine

I appreciate that you are not my audience when discussing science and probabilities. I like both Flames goalies, and often sympathize when goalies get goat horns

Glad you weren’t hurt and nobody else was when you slid through the intersection

you are bending over backwards to defend a poor game for some reason

he's an .800s goalie this season, needs to be better. Other goalie had this same scientific factors and made the ####ing save

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

you are bending over backwards to defend a poor game for some reason

he's an .800s goalie this season, needs to be better

Team D needs to put both goalies in a position to be better

[browna]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

The first goal went by his glove, not over his shoulder

And the point about reaction time is that even if you are set, there is only (percent of net covered by your entire body) chance of making the save

If the puck is on net and not hitting you, it’s a goal

And my point is if he stands up a bit straighter (look at his pads on the screen shot as to how low he is crouching) on a shot that he is set for, at 6'5 you have a pretty good chance to cover a 4x6 net so the puck does hit you and you don't have to react.

[memphusk]

Poor game all around. 10.5 gets the season start pass and there is nothing there so far. Thats more than disappointing. I'm not asking for him to move heaven and earth but Jesus man. Wake up.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by browna

The screen shot is just as it left Soucy's stick, not after the goal.

Reaction time being what it is, a 6'5 goalie (before skates) should not be beaten high (with room to spare in this case) over the shoulder on a clean look shot, that he has time enough to be set for (and he was).

What's the point of being 6'5 goalie if you're going to be leaving 6-8 inches in the top of the 4ft high net?

* got it, I see the puck

That angle is a bit misleading, showing more net than there is

Consider if the puck has eyes, what can it see? So draw a line from puck to crossbar, and a goalie out from the net should actually be somewhat below the crossbar for sure

It looks from that overhead shot like there’s a ton of room, but there really isn’t

And again, it went glove side

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by browna

And my point is if he stands up a bit straighter (look at his pads on the screen shot as to how low he is crouching) on a shot that he is set for, at 6'5 you have a pretty good chance to cover a 4x6 net so the puck does hit you and you don't have to react.

You never cover 100% of the net though

That’s the challenge of being a goalie

Higher stance increases risk of 5 hole goals because gravity too has its limits

Well placed shot

Yeah, he could have happened to be in front of it, but he wasn’t particularly poorly positioned imo , based on the subsequent replay view from behind the net

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by Dion

The defensive play of this team was an absolute joke tonight. You have a 4-2 with less than 10 minutes go and you need to shut it down and reduce all scoring chances. End of rant.

I don’t agree. That’s what they tried against Edmonton. Shut it down and surrender the initiative isn’t smart. What they need to do is just continue to play good Sutter hockey and keep up the forecheck and pressure. You sit back and well maybe Seattle doesn’t burn you but Avs, Vegas and Edmonton certainly will.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Poor game all around. 10.5 gets the season start pass and there is nothing there so far. Thats more than disappointing. I'm not asking for him to move heaven and earth but Jesus man. Wake up.

Please don't make this a stupid thing.

[genetic_phreek]

Things that stood out to me:

Vladar - Didn't lose us the game but didn't really save us either. Save percentage wasn't really indicative of the team leaving him hanging

Hanifin and Andersson- When they are good, they are so good, but when they are bad, they are outright awful, this game they were bad

Ruzicka - first game this season and it showed, thought he could have played with a bit more hunger but then again, he's strapped with Ritchie and Lewis

Dube - He plays so frantic at times, doesn't look at where to distribute the puck, not ready to accept the puck, doesn't utilize his speed enough

Huberdeau - expectations are high and you could see him forcing a lot out there, one of the biggest things for a good playmaker is for linemates to get open so they can "find" them, this requires time to develop familiarity on where to go and such, I don't really think guys have been knowing where to go and a lot of times not expecting the puck to come from unconventional situations or positions. 8 games, personally not enough time for an elite playmaker to excel. Add the fact that Kadri is already excelling which is why others probably expect Hubie to do the same but they play a different style and playmakers takes a bit more time

[3rd liner]

This game made me angrier than the oilers loss. At least when you're playing the dumpster fires you know the refs are on team connor so you're playing against the wonder twins as well as the refs. Here the flames were just awful. Andersson should sit the next game for his mistakes. Huberdeau needs to show up. Giving up 3 straight goals to the kraken? I hope sutter bag skates them until the preds game.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Please don't make this a stupid thing.

not to mention he is making 5.9 right now anyway

[Buff]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Huby has been like 1.2 PPG for 4 straight years . he didn't fluke into that

have to let things come together . I challenge forum members here not to judge the player until at least December

Someone with a 10.5 AAV shouldn't need 2 months to figure out how to play hockey with a new team. He should be taking the bull by the horns and making stuff happen. He's a highly ranked professional but hasn't looked like it.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Team D needs to put both goalies in a position to be better

Out chanced the opponent 2:1

Why is the AHL goalie at the other end able to make big saves?

[saillias]

Originally Posted by 3rd liner

This game made me angrier than the oilers loss. At least when you're playing the dumpster fires you know the refs are on team connor so you're playing against the wonder twins as well as the refs. Here the flames were just awful. Andersson should sit the next game for his mistakes. Huberdeau needs to show up. Giving up 3 straight goals to the kraken? I hope sutter bag skates them until the preds game.

A bag skate kind of kicked this 0-2 stretch off though. They made a show of having a really hard practice on the weekend and had all the local media tweeting how the team stayed on the ice longer to work. They were 5-1 at the time and it was October. Maybe being normal would suffice. might be irrelevant but it just struck me as odd.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by buff

someone with a 10.5 aav shouldn't need 2 months to figure out how to play hockey with a new team. He should be taking the bull by the horns and making stuff happen. He's a highly ranked professional but hasn't looked like it.

2 months!

8 games and 5.9

[dino7c]

I think the best thing for this team will be regular games...2 in 9 days is just stupid

how do you build anything?