[PGT] Flames blow a 3rd period lead again, lose 5-4 to Seattle

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Alternatively...you could swap the names 'Weegar' and 'Huberdeau' with 'Bouwmeester' and 'Jokinen' in that same sentence back in 2009

Whatever you say, hoss.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by browna

Berniers. No way Markstrom would be basically out of the play by being almost his belly after a simple pass across the ice. Beniers shot it below waist height and just had to get it past Vladar's sinking glove.

Markstrom would've also had the first, it certiainly wouldn't have gone over his shoulder and under the bar with such a clean look.

If you believe goalie sv% is 1.000 for shots they see, perhaps

But that’s not reality

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I am blaming Markstrom for nothing

The problem tonight was in front of the goalie, my friend

Single game stats are close to meaningless

#### stats. One question.. Which shot, Sprong or Beniers?

You often blame him and use the stats was my point...who scored the 5th goal? he played it terrible

make a save maybe, it's his job

lost the goalie battle big time...thats not to say I don't like Vladar but he blew it along with a few others tonight

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Interesting

Which of Sprong or Beniers’ would he have stopped?

And how?

Rewatch the goals.

Feelings aside, it’s a no imo

I don't know what you mean by "feelings aside" but Berniers goal Vladar basically took himself out before he even released the shot. And this is coming from a huge Vladar fan.

Yeah, you could stretch and make excuses for each goal, but like Treliving has said this is the do it league. You need to play well, plus come up with some big/timely saves. Vladar tonight played alright and didn't come up with big/timely saves.

[dino7c]

The Panthers and Tkachuk just lost the the Yotes and are .500 despite a schedule that couldn't be easier so despite the points its not all roses in Florida either

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

If you believe goalie sv% is 1.000 for shots they see, perhaps

But that’s not reality

Nobody believes this, but there's way more nuance to an NHL goaltending performance than that.

[Mr.Coffee]

Sutter with a small subtle dig on the crowd, well said. Needs to be stated more.

Crowd needs to be better too. Higher energy more cheering legit helps the team. There is actual science behind home field advantage in pro sports but the fans in Calgary are constantly really really quiet. And it’s not like there was literally nothing to cheer about either.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Which is fine. How you feel about the term or how comedians feel about it, isn't going to deter me from using it when I feel I should. It wasn't a term I used cause anybody is being criticized, it was more about people now questioning his contract now. Maybe it wasn't the term that was appropriate for the circumstance, but its also pretty ridiculous and inappropriate for people to start questioning his contract after 8 games. I'll leave it at that.

Nah, we're on the same page. See my post a few up for my feelings on Huberdeau. Just a minor gripe about a silly term, lol. Nothing more.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames were dominating every metric when they were up 4-2...like really dominating
hard to say they deserved to lose but they certainly didn't put it away

Seattle is way better than people think...they beat Colorado, Pittsburg, Calgary, and are over .500 now. Can't just hand it to them on a silver platter with dumb penalties and turnovers

Flames were weird tonight.

For 30 minutes they were great and looked unstoppable. (2nd and up to Ritchie penalty in the third)

For 30 minutes they looked disinterested and sloppy (1st and post-Ritchie penalty)

Big thing to me is the guys who were sloppy (Andersson and Kadri) generally aren’t so that’s a good thing.

Also this team needs to bury their chances. This game isn’t close if Coleman could buy a goal or a point. Could have easily had 3 goals and 2 assists tonight and instead had nothing.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Sutter with a small subtle dig on the crowd, well said. Needs to be stated more.

Crowd needs to be better too. Higher energy more cheering legit helps the team. There is actual science behind home field advantage in pro sports but the fans in Calgary are constantly really really quiet. And it’s not like there was literally nothing to cheer about either.

not a lot to cheer about in the first period...you drive to a game in a blizzard and see that effort?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

Losing 2 in a row like this. Brown leads in the 3rd has me very angry. Saturday we deserved to win and didn’t. Tonight maybe didn’t deserve it as much. But 4-2 ! Now I’m angry and discouraged.

I feel like this has something to do with huberdeau but im just trying to figure out what

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Sutter with a small subtle dig on the crowd, well said. Needs to be stated more.

Crowd needs to be better too. Higher energy more cheering legit helps the team. There is actual science behind home field advantage in pro sports but the fans in Calgary are constantly really really quiet. And it’s not like there was literally nothing to cheer about either.

I wouldn't wait for a good regular season crowd in Calgary to help the home team, unfortunately. I was a season ticket holder for 5 years and have gone to many games.

It's a corporate, weak atmosphere until playoffs. Unless we're playing the Oilers/Leafs/Habs but then a lot of the energy is for the visiting team.

We are what we are at this point.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I don't know what you mean by "feelings aside" but Berniers goal Vladar basically took himself out before he even released the shot. And this is coming from a huge Vladar fan.

Yeah, you could stretch and make excuses for each goal, but like Treliving has said this is the do it league. You need to play well, plus come up with some big/timely saves. Vladar tonight played alright and didn't come up with big/timely saves.

A couple of things

1. There are stops you should stop, shots you could stop, and shots you can’t Flames allowed too many from bucket 3

2. Many people disregard the importance of shot placement, and the impact of it vs goalie positioning and percent of net it’s possible to cover

I posted an analysis by Valiquette long ago about the Royal Road


I seriously have zero issue with the tendy tonight

[dino7c]

that certainly turned out to be a brown lead

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Sutter with a small subtle dig on the crowd, well said. Needs to be stated more.

Crowd needs to be better too. Higher energy more cheering legit helps the team. There is actual science behind home field advantage in pro sports but the fans in Calgary are constantly really really quiet. And it’s not like there was literally nothing to cheer about either.

Maybe if the fans weren’t being ear raped by garbage music that makes it hard to have a conversation with the person next to them?

Also, maybe if the team didn’t come out like complete losers to start the game?

I thought Rasmus Andersson was particularly bad tonight.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Nobody believes this, but there's way more nuance to an NHL goaltending performance than that.

I agree, and welcome that conversation any day

[dino7c]

Vladar has an .865 this season...Flames need better

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[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Vladar has an .865 this season… Markstrom has a .903.Flames need better defense

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Fyp

[dino7c]

Both guys can be better...Flames have out chanced the other team 7 of 8 games and outshot them 8 of 8

Goalies have not been good enough

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

A couple of things

1. There are stops you should stop, shots you could stop, and shots you can’t Flames allowed too many from bucket 3

2. Many people disregard the importance of shot placement, and the impact of it vs goalie positioning and percent of net it’s possible to cover

I posted an analysis by Valiquette long ago about the Royal Road


I seriously have zero issue with the tendy tonight

Only thing I’d say (and part of it is shot placement) is that Daccord made a hige save on a cross ice 2-1 shot on Lewis.

Vladar struggled to make one of the saves on the 2 cross ice goals they got (Think it was 3 and 5)

Doesn’t mean they were soft or Vladar’s fault but Lewis didn’t bury that chance that would have put away the game because Daccord made a huge save (and Lewis shot it back towards him) and Seattle buried their similar chances.