[PGT] Flames blow a 3rd period lead again, lose 5-4 to Seattle

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

Not overly concerned but definitely issues with line chemistry. More time is needed to gel but seems odd that players like Gaudreau and Tkachuk have had little issues adjusting to their new teams. Hopefully Huberdeau starts to make an impact soon. Need to get him going and Sutter agreed that more is needed. Let’s hope all lines start to get in a rhythm cause lots of work needs to be done.

Gaudreau is a minus player on a 3-7 team

Woot points

Huberdeau is being expected to actually learn a winning system

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Toffoli was the reason for that -- he's been great all year.

Lucic had a monster shift in the first period but there's a lot of guys in this league who would sit for a month after a turnover that leads to a 4-on-1 and the GWG. Especially a forward with one goal in his last 66 games. That's McGrattan-level.

The team was turning the puck over left, right and center. It wasn’t just him tonight. I also don’t think he expected Andersson to be so deep in the offensive zone especially so late into the 3rd in a tie game.

I’d give Lucic a pass alone for helping fix the Lindholm line. It was the best Lindholm and Toffoli have looked all season. I had a notion that Lindholm’s game would be much better if he found himself a winger who was more effective on the forecheck and that’s exactly what Lucic brought to the table. Feel like that line will get a good look for the next little while.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

Not overly concerned but definitely issues with line chemistry. More time is needed to gel but seems odd that players like Gaudreau and Tkachuk have had little issues adjusting to their new teams. Hopefully Huberdeau starts to make an impact soon. Need to get him going and Sutter agreed that more is needed. Let’s hope all lines start to get in a rhythm cause lots of work needs to be done.

Tkachuk and Johnny went to teams with little to no structure compared to the Flames.

Weegar and Huberdeau went from no structure Florida to a Sutter system. Give then time.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Vladar played alright, but he definitely went down early a couple times and I feel Markstrom would have had that game 4-3 Flames or tied and going to overtime.

That’s how I felt as well

[browna]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

but there's a lot of guys in this league who would sit for a month after a turnover that leads to a 4-on-1 and the GWG. Especially a forward with one goal in his last 66 games. That's McGrattan-level.

Very dramatic.
Nowhere near close to the main culprit there, let alone deserves to be sitting "for a month".

A reckless pinch by Andersson in a tie game the cause there. He also didn't stop the pass going up his side while on the pinch. Lucic was left at the point, the puck coming up the boards that Andersson needed to block off and then puck bounced into the middle and Lucic had to quickly swivel and being off balance to just keep it in the zone, nevermind get any juice on it to get it deep in the zone.

With 3 Kraken forwards and 1 defender jumping the zone and the Flames forwards not realizing it, got away quickly.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by CGY12

When did I ever say don't criticize him? lol. I acknowledged he's been average and had a rough night, I also said Sutter shouldn't be soft on him. Maybe read the entire thread first? Talking about his damn contract being maybe one of the worst because of his first 8 games on the team, is just plain dumb.

Sorry, something might have been lost in translation there. I really like HUberdeau and feel he's just under pressure with his first massive contract, plus playing with two players that didn't suit his game early on (Lindholm/Toffoli) and then being shuffled to a new line and having to start over.

I was literally only referring to the lame "cancel culture" shout out, lol. It's done, it's a silly term that is now being mocked and laughed at by even comedians that used to cry about it. Just saw you use it a few times recently in discussion to refer to criticism against Flames players, that's all.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Vladar played alright, but he definitely went down early a couple times and I feel Markstrom would have had that game 4-3 Flames or tied and going to overtime.

Interesting

Which of Sprong or Beniers’ would he have stopped?

And how?

Rewatch the goals.

Feelings aside, it’s a no imo

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by browna

Very dramatic.
Nowhere near close to the main culprit there, let alone deserves to be sitting "for a month".

A reckless pinch by Andersson in a tie game the cause there. He also didn't stop the pass going up his side while on the pinch. Lucic was left at the point, the puck coming up the boards that Andersson needed to block off and then puck bounced into the middle and Lucic had to quickly swivel and being off balance to just keep it in the zone, nevermind get any juice on it to get it deep in the zone.

With 3 Kraken forwards and 1 defender jumping the zone and the Flames forwards not realizing it, got away quickly.

I wouldn't sit him for a month, for the record.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Interesting

Which of Sprong or Beniers’ would he have stopped?

And how?

Rewatch the goals.

Feelings aside, it’s a no imo

lol classic...from the guy who blames Markstrom for everything

5 high danger chances, 5 goals
.808 save percentage

#### game from Vladar

I hope either of them would have won that one with their "A" or even "B" game

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Weegar and Huberdeau went from no structure Florida to a Sutter system. Give then time.

Alternatively...you could swap the names 'Weegar' and 'Huberdeau' with 'Bouwmeester' and 'Jokinen' in that same sentence back in 2009

[GUnit]

Sloppy lazy, only employees of CSEC that showed up were the concession staff and ushers

[Locke]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Vladar played alright, but he definitely went down early a couple times and I feel Markstrom would have had that game 4-3 Flames or tied and going to overtime.

I kept noticing that he backs off, backs off and then goes down early. He leaves a whole lot of net to shoot at.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Gaudreau is a minus player on a 3-7 team

Woot points

Huberdeau is being expected to actually learn a winning system

This needs to be reiterated as well. I'm a little biased as I like Huberdeau and think he's our most skilled forward (although Kadri is trying to change my mind). I just look at all the factors.


- Signs his first massive contract, which usually leads to early struggles for most star players


- His skill is making insane plays off the rush - Toffoli is slower and makes his bank in the zone once the play is cycling or he's able to catch up (and he's great at it, don't get me wrong). Lindholm starts off struggling massively on the season


- Top line is two, right handed snipers, Huberdeau doesn't typically carry the puck, now he's suddenly the puck carrier for the whole line and both snipers are right handed to his left handed plays


- Then he's suddenly switched to a new line that in my opinion is perfect for him in the long run, but now he's feeling even more pressure to perform and is gripping the stick too hard and forcing plays, which is the exact opposite of his skill set


- Huberdeau has also played mainly an offensive game in Florida, now he is being asked to reform his game into a two way player as Sutter asks of everyone, which will take time.

Not worried about Huberdeau at all. But still feel this team is a star forward away from pushing everyone down to truly be a Cup contender.

[Mightyfire89]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Alternatively...you could swap the names 'Weegar' and 'Huberdeau' with 'Bouwmeester' and 'Jokinen' in that same sentence back in 2009

Disingenuous, I think. IMO Brent is pretty far below Darryl as a coach.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Alternatively...you could swap the names 'Weegar' and 'Huberdeau' with 'Bouwmeester' and 'Jokinen' in that same sentence back in 2009

Jokinen was on a steady decline not a ppg player coming off a recording setting season.

Bouwmeester had some red flags on him, he went to St. Louis and won a cup.

Comparisons don't even make any sense just like making a natural C into a wringer and turning a winger Dube playing center.

That's really going to help the team.

[browna]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Interesting

Which of Sprong or Beniers’ would he have stopped?

And how?

Rewatch the goals.

Feelings aside, it’s a no imo

Berniers. No way Markstrom would be basically out of the play by being almost his belly after a simple pass across the ice. Beniers shot it below waist height and just had to get it past Vladar's sinking glove.

Markstrom would've also had the first, it certiainly wouldn't have gone over his shoulder and under the bar with such a clean look.

[jlh2640]

Losing 2 in a row like this. Brown leads in the 3rd has me very angry. Saturday we deserved to win and didn’t. Tonight maybe didn’t deserve it as much. But 4-2 ! Now I’m angry and discouraged.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Sorry, something might have been lost in translation there. I really like HUberdeau and feel he's just under pressure with his first massive contract, plus playing with two players that didn't suit his game early on (Lindholm/Toffoli) and then being shuffled to a new line and having to start over.

I was literally only referring to the lame "cancel culture" shout out, lol. It's done, it's a silly term that is now being mocked and laughed at by even comedians that used to cry about it. Just saw you use it a few times recently in discussion to refer to criticism against Flames players, that's all.

Which is fine. How you feel about the term or how comedians feel about it, isn't going to deter me from using it when I feel I should. It wasn't a term I used cause anybody is being criticized, it was more about people now questioning his contract now. Maybe it wasn't the term that was appropriate for the circumstance, but its also pretty ridiculous and inappropriate for people to start questioning his contract after 8 games. I'll leave it at that.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

lol classic...from the guy who blames Markstrom for everything

5 high danger chances, 5 goals
.808 save percentage

#### game from Vladar

I hope either of them would have won that one with their "A" or even "B" game

I am blaming Markstrom for nothing

The problem tonight was in front of the goalie, my friend

Single game stats are close to meaningless

#### stats. One question.. Which shot, Sprong or Beniers?

[dino7c]

Flames were dominating every metric when they were up 4-2...like really dominating
hard to say they deserved to lose but they certainly didn't put it away

Seattle is way better than people think...they beat Colorado, Pittsburg, Calgary, and are over .500 now. Can't just hand it to them on a silver platter with dumb penalties and turnovers