Edmonton is No Good X: Up and Down Like a Toilet Seat

[getbak]

They're like the mob with their high-pay no-show jobs.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No judgment. But the last thing Oiler fans need is another hole in the head.

I am always passing judgment.

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

There are provisions in the CBA that spell out that teams are only allowed to pay retired players market rates for any position they are hired in post retirement.



So no way is Keith getting $1.5 million to be a consultant of player development.

I have no doubt that "market rate" means something different in Edmonton than it does anywhere else. Have you seen the concession prices at the Toilet Bowl?

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[TrentCrimmIndependent]

they definitely coaxed Keith out of that last year and most of the money he is being compensated with is under the table . no one ever chooses Edmonton because they like the place or the organization . I doubt keith has any real responsibilities aside from sit in at a few meetings to nod his head in agreement and make himself visible at a few games in order to help pad the illusion that players like associating themselves with that swamp

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

they definitely coaxed Keith out of that last year and most of the money he is being compensated with is under the table .

Your evidence for this is?

Sorry, guys, but I'm with Oil Stain on this one. The PA has lawyers and accountants crawling over every franchise with a microscope, looking for places where the owners might be stashing money. And conversely, the other 31 owners have an interest in seeing that every dollar actually paid to a player is counted towards their 50 percent.

All the arguments I've ever heard for players receiving money under the table amount to variations on, ‘There must be an invisible cat in that chair because you can't actually prove there isn't.’

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Your evidence for this is?

Sorry, guys, but I'm with Oil Stain on this one. The PA has lawyers and accountants crawling over every franchise with a microscope, looking for places where the owners might be stashing money. And conversely, the other 31 owners have an interest in seeing that every dollar actually paid to a player is counted towards their 50 percent.

All the arguments I've ever heard for players receiving money under the table amount to variations on, ‘There must be an invisible cat in that chair because you can't actually prove there isn't.’

I think the idea of "under the table" means it's money outside the organization which can't be scrutinized, and the PA has no right to audit personal financial records of it's retired players. Unlikely but possible and I can see the appeal to believe it.

For me this is a clear quid pro quo in the form of a job to stay in hockey as payment for retiring early. But, as long as it's at "market value" it's allowed.

What would make it wrong is if Keith is being paid a market value wage, but not actually doing any work. If he's doing the work then who cares.

[Rollin22x]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Your evidence for this is?

Sorry, guys, but I'm with Oil Stain on this one. The PA has lawyers and accountants crawling over every franchise with a microscope, looking for places where the owners might be stashing money. And conversely, the other 31 owners have an interest in seeing that every dollar actually paid to a player is counted towards their 50 percent.

All the arguments I've ever heard for players receiving money under the table amount to variations on, ‘There must be an invisible cat in that chair because you can't actually prove there isn't.’

Evidence for this?

[saillias]

So I just discovered this Oilers Plus thing they're doing. They're actually paywalling generic youtube content and pre/post game fluff. The fans must be getting tired of the price gouging?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

incredible that these alleged people monitoring every move of the team missed that whole Mike Smith LTIR ruse . I wonder if he was even present for his failed physical

[1qqaaz]

The Flames are the only team in the league who still have a 1990s draft pick in the league (Craig Anderson). Meanwhile, there are no Edmonton draft picks from before 2005 (Cogliano).

[Buff]

They be brawlin at their home opener:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1580738379452674048

https://twitter.com/user/status/1581039369741537280

Stay classy

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Buff

They be brawlin at their home opener:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1580738379452674048

https://twitter.com/user/status/1581039369741537280

Stay classy

Well, someone is getting assault charges.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

The old player retires but hire him at another position so we save cap and the player's salary remains whole play.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1580966799969234950

Originally Posted by Groot

Yes, because Katz is famous for never paying any money under the table, for anything.

Now we know where the other half of their 50/50's go.

[Gaudfather]

That fight is a precursor to the beatdown the Flames are going to give the Coilers on Saturday night!

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

How is it that nobody bought this domain yet???

Luckily, I just did, for safekeeping. Not sure what to do with it yet, but for now it redirects to a site that may be helpful for Oilers fans >> http://www.oilersminus.com

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Rollin22x

Evidence for this?

HRR is audited by independent accountants every single year, and the PA has audit rights additional to that. Check CBA article 50.12 for details.

Several billion dollars per year are being split 50/50 between owners and players. Do you really imagine that there are not lawyers and accountants on each side making sure they get their share?

[Vansmack]

How does any of that preclude Katz from writing a cheque from non hockey related revenues?

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Vansmack

How does any of that preclude Katz from writing a cheque from non hockey related revenues?

Or literally sliding cash across the table like he does with young girls. If anyone knows how to accomplish this it's that scumbag.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Your evidence for this is?

Sorry, guys, but I'm with Oil Stain on this one. The PA has lawyers and accountants crawling over every franchise with a microscope, looking for places where the owners might be stashing money. And conversely, the other 31 owners have an interest in seeing that every dollar actually paid to a player is counted towards their 50 percent.

All the arguments I've ever heard for players receiving money under the table amount to variations on, ‘There must be an invisible cat in that chair because you can't actually prove there isn't.’

It’s not Katz stashing HRR somewhere off the books, argument is he’s providing “personal” funds out of any number of his business entities, filtered various ways, to keep Keith (and Smith) whole, never mind a little bonus for helping out the cap.

CFL had those personal services contract, where Ryckman was able to out pay Murray Peszim for Flutie and Gretzky and McNall and Candy were able to pay Raghib Ismail on the side instead of under the CFL cap circa 1992.

This isn’t as blatant but the same result, just for not playing.

Maybe Keith and his whole family now have “long term” complimentary leases on Model D Teslas, paid by some secondary holding company of Katz, and classified as promotional surcharges.

Smith was not hurt, stated he wasn’t hurt, said he wanted to be back, and has been silent since. For such a fiery guy, he wouldn’t have gone quietly unless the reward to effectively end his career, wasn’t well worth it.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Vansmack

How does any of that preclude Katz from writing a cheque from non hockey related revenues?

If he's doing it to get out of a player's cap hit, that is circumvention. Player contracts are also audited.