Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by Macman

^ But Jason Kenney is gone now right, you can’t blame this all on Smith to be fair.

It's on the UCP. Period.

She doesn't get a free pass. They worst part of the UCP party is part she helped create, the former wild rose party.

Kenney was the worst premier that we've had by miles and in just a few short months Smith is going to make him look pretty goddamn amazing.

But again, NDP, lightbulbs, socialism, etc etc..

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Macman

^ But Jason Kenney is gone now right, you can’t blame this all on Smith to be fair.

Did Smith criticize these decisions while hosting radio program? If not I think we can assume she supports them.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Muta

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...z2M/edit#gid=0

Just a reminder that the above is a link to a document tracking all the decisions the UCP has made so far, in case you like self-torture want to go down that deplorable rabbit hole.

"BuT NoTleY's LiGhTbUlBs"

Thanks, I was looking for this yesterday

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

When did the ALRB determine that remedial certification was an “egregious stick”?

How can a Union “bait” a company into doing something illegal? Jedi mind trick?

A Union would have a pretty hard time threatening to apply for a remedial certification and an even more challenging time to get the ALRB to award one if an employer didn’t violate the code.

As for the need for a vote, since you are clearly knowledgeable in labour relations matters you must be aware that the employees could freely apply for decertification if they really didn’t want a Union representing them so I’m not understanding how you consider it to be a hardship.

You’re free to elaborate on the “tactics” that Unions use to “force” employees to sign and fill out a card with all of their personal information and pay the $2 fee which was required under the code, though I expect none of that would explain why employees wouldn’t contact the board once the notice of the application is posted in their workplace(which is required by law) to complain about the hypothetical tactics you’re claiming could be used. You’re also free to elaborate on how those tactics are more effective in influencing an employee than their employer’s threats/tactics to dissuade them from wanting to join a Union.



It would be a pretty idle threat if the employer didn’t actually violate the code, no?

I get the sense that you don’t think an employer should be able to violate the law by interfering with their employees when they consider unionizing, but at the same time you’re not really offering any alternative remedies that would prevent employers from doing just that. Instead you’re giving vague examples to argue why one of the only remedies that I’m sure you would agree actually deters employers from violating the law is “a bit much”.



I think you’re contradicting yourself here. If the board only applied it rarely and when they felt that it was necessary what is leading you to expect that it would be abused? Unless you have an example of a board awarding a remedial certification when the employer wasn’t found guilty of violating the law I don’t think it’s a very plausible scenario.



Well in that case I hope that you’re just as willing to share examples of all of the steps you’ve seen employers take to not interfere in a Union organizing campaign once they are aware of one as you are to bring up hypothetical boogeyman scenarios to criticize laws meant to eliminate employer interference. If I had to guess I’d say the list of steps taken by employers to not interfere would be rather short.

I feel like we’ve gone completely off topic discussing since dead legislation here…

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Cappy

I feel like we’ve gone completely off topic discussing since dead legislation here…

Yeah you’re right, I mean why would we discuss provincial legislation in the Alberta politics thread right?

Funny though, you had no issue discussing it until your arguments were challenged. Oh well.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Yeah you’re right, I mean why would we discuss provincial legislation in the Alberta politics thread right?

Funny though, you had no issue discussing it until your arguments were challenged. Oh well.

I gave you my opinion on why I thought it went too far - but also qualified it as 1) my opinion and 2) pretty consistent with other provinces. I also made that as a small comment in a larger discussion on the good the ndp did. When you asked I thought you were just curious and not looking to get into a debate over it.

I particularly don’t want to get into a legal debate on this topic for a variety of reasons so I’ll leave it at that.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Cappy

I gave you my opinion on why I thought it went too far - but also qualified it as 1) my opinion and 2) pretty consistent with other provinces. I also made that as a small comment in a larger discussion on the good the ndp did. When you asked I thought you were just curious and not looking to get into a debate over it.

I particularly don’t want to get into a legal debate on this topic for a variety of reasons so I’ll leave it at that.

This isn’t a legal debate, I’m merely asking you to back up what you’re saying with something a little more substantial than hypotheticals. No worries if you don’t want to do that though, IMO opting to not says more than words ever could. Cheers Cappy!

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

This isn’t a legal debate, I’m merely asking you to back up what you’re saying with something a little more substantial than hypotheticals. No worries if you don’t want to do that though, IMO opting to not says more than words ever could. Cheers Cappy!

So you want examples? Like case precedent? Nah thanks dude. It’s 930 at night I just got home from work. Take your W and sleep easy

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Cappy

So you want examples? Like case precedent?

Not really, but in all fairness you brought them up did you not?

Nah thanks dude. It’s 930 at night I just got home from work.

No one is demanding that you respond to anything tonight.

Take your W and sleep easy

I can do that that.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That seems like it addresses abuse by employer. And I don't think it's part of the statute which deals with unions.

I missed the question being about unions. The holiday pay thing is just an issue my left-leaning business-owning wife rails about.

[timun]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

So you believe all of AHS should be safe regardless of inefficiencies?

The workers who refused COVID vaccinations should be summarily fired.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by timun

The workers who refused COVID vaccinations should be summarily fired.

Are you feeding into Smith's rhetoric on purpose?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by timun

The workers who refused COVID vaccinations should be summarily fired.

You understand that is terrible policy and would lead to shortages in rural areas right?

[Fuzz]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1576778463083888640

"There isn't a choice to receive COVID vaccine-negative blood. So by declining blood, it means you will die."

"We do see a few, certainly in our bone marrow transplant patients in particular. You have to remember these kiddos are immuno-compromised and there's always more sensitivity around these patients, and some of them can be quite frail," said Sidhu, who is also an associate professor in the Cumming School of Medicine at the University of Calgary.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...613841?cmp=rss

Danielle Smith has empowered these people. There is no science, or logic or reason to this, but bring this up to her, and you can guarantee she'll be assuring these parents she'll direct AHS to secure a covid vaccine-free blood supply for medical choice.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Are you feeding into Smith's rhetoric on purpose?

Originally Posted by GGG

You understand that is terrible policy and would lead to shortages in rural areas right?

Yes. That said, if there's any one demographic of AHS workers who should be weeded out it's the demonstrably incompetent ones.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by timun

Yes. That said, if there's any one demographic of AHS workers who should be weeded out it's the demonstrably incompetent ones.

We could require them to move to the lowest vaccinated areas of the province, and work in those hospitals if they want to keep their jobs...Hillbilly Healthcare.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://twitter.com/user/status/1576778463083888640
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...613841?cmp=rss

Danielle Smith has empowered these people. There is no science, or logic or reason to this, but bring this up to her, and you can guarantee she'll be assuring these parents she'll direct AHS to secure a covid vaccine-free blood supply for medical choice.

#### them, let them die.

If they want choice, then that is their choice. Take the blood available or die.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

#### them, let them die.

If they want choice, then that is their choice. Take the blood available or die.

It is a lot less clear cut when the parents are making these decisions for their children. Children who are immune compromised and should probably be vaccinated, but people like Smith convinced them they were making the right decision.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It is a lot less clear cut when the parents are making these decisions for their children. Children who are immune compromised and should probably be vaccinated, but people like Smith convinced them they were making the right decision.

There are already processes in place to deal with those types of issues.

If the parents refuse to provide the necessaries of life the Government can step in and take control of the child and make decision for the minors best interest.

Then ####ing charge the parents with failure to provide the necessaries of life.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

#### them, let them die.

If they want choice, then that is their choice. Take the blood available or die.

Agreed one million percent.