Thank-You Ownership Group

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

You spend a lot of time of Loblaws messages boards too?

Point taken. But I think it’s a function of how we WANT to have a club-supporter relationship, but we don’t. Remember when the big clubs of Europe wanted to create a super league and the fans revolted? Together those clubs might be worth 500 billion and the fans prevented them from forming a new league. Now that’s having a say in things.

Freaking Flames took 10 years to bring the retro back as the regular jersey after years of clamouring by the fans and still refuse to resurrect Scorch.

There is no supporter-club relationship here. It’s business-customer.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Well, you can continue to worship billionaires who actively make your life worse and don’t care about you. I’ll continue to think it’s pretty lame and think it’s sad that you’ve been brainwashed to love people that despise you.

Also, what fans want to see the team move? I’ve literally never even seen anyone advocate for that on CP.

Worship
make life worse
lame
sad
despise
brainwashed

Nothing over the top in there!

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

You spend a lot of time of Loblaws messages boards too?

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Haha. Post of the year candidate.

I strongly feel the post of the year candidates will receive more thanks than one from the guy calling it a post of the year candidate. That post was a slight burn, while making a point, lol.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Worship
make life worse
lame
sad
despise
brainwashed

Nothing over the top in there!

Murray Edwards isn't inviting you over for dinner, Bingo

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

Murray Edwards isn't inviting you over for dinner, Bingo

Wow what crushing news.

You don't think his post was a tad emotional?

I have nothing but respect for those that don't want public money in a hockey arena. I'm more on the look at history and make a fair deal side, but I get the notion that they should pay for their own.

But the anger and emotion in that post shows to me a person that isn't all that grounded on the topic.

What meal am I missing out on?

[nik-]

Hmm, what an interesting series of posts.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by Bingo

What meal am I missing out on?

That a billionaire is going to help you out in the slightest and we shouldn't be thanking them for anything. I don't know if his post was emotional or not but I find your brand of flying above it all always down the middle to be a tad too much .

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Wow what crushing news.

You don't think his post was a tad emotional?

I have nothing but respect for those that don't want public money in a hockey arena. I'm more on the look at history and make a fair deal side, but I get the notion that they should pay for their own.

But the anger and emotion in that post shows to me a person that isn't all that grounded on the topic.

What meal am I missing out on?

People appreciate that we have an ownership group here that spend to the cap (most teams do), but at the end of the day they are a business that we spend money on.

Appreciating that they're here is one thing, but starting a thread asking for written appreciation from thousandaires to billionaires of a business that provides a product that we consume with our entertainment dollars comes off a little cringy and absolutely invites some sarcasm and joke posts in response.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

That a billionaire is going to help you out in the slightest and we shouldn't be thanking them for anything. I don't know if his post was emotional or not but I find your brand of flying above it all always down the middle to be a tad too much .

So put me on ignore, honestly don't care.

I'm going to continue to be me, which is very much a person that doesn't go to the emotional edges of every topic.

You should try it sometime!

Life is very rarely 100% right or wrong on most issues.

The Flames spend to the cap, that's something to be happy about. I don't know if I would thank owners for it personally, but nor would I turn one fan doing so into a drive by shooting of people in society with money either.

Never said I was expecting any billionaire to give me anything.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Life is very rarely directly down the middle. The idea that every disagreement or situation has a middle is ludicrous as well. The enlightened centrist routine is a little much.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

Life is very rarely directly down the middle. The idea that every disagreement or situation has a middle is ludicrous as well. The enlightened centrist routine is a little much.

Still not personal right? LOL

That's twice you've told me I'm too much.

Put me on ignore.

And never said directly either. I'm all over the swathy middle! Never on the line "directly" in the middle.

Much more logical to be in shades of grey than black and white in my opinion.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by memphusk

I will not lie on this. If I could own an NHL team and break even every year I would own that team for as long as my days.

Originally Posted by smiggy77

Ownership isn’t pulling a paycheck out of the flames.

It’s commonly known that owning a hockey team is these smaller markets make zero business sense. They’re returns are not even 4% all said and done.

Imagining being in Ottawa when Melnyk tried to make it a business venture


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You would own it as long as your days. Thats the point.

I've banged this drum many, many times but I'll reiterate, hockey teams dont make much money on operations. They try, but operations essentially cover...well...operations.

However the Calgary Flames were purchased in 1980 for $16M. Adjusted for inflation thats about $60M today.

Forbes says that today they are valued at $680M.
https://www.forbes.com/teams/calgary...h=53c768231905

Not a bad return. Even factoring in years of losses, losses which were probably funneled into the owner's other more profitable businesses, or just held for when the Flames did turn profits.

Not a bad return on investment either way you slice it. Its like a toy that pays for itself.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Much more logical to be in shades of grey than black and white in my opinion.

That’s not how logic works. Sometimes logic is on both sides of an argument, or just one, but rarely does just sticking somewhere in the middle make for the most logical position. There might be logic that supports the middle too, but the idea that it’s automatically “more” logical to be in “shades of grey” is actually just nonsense.

I didn’t take FormerPres’s posts as any more personal than you assuming Cecil’s emotional state or how grounded in the topic they were, for what it’s worth.

Logically, if that’s how we want to measure things, businesses exist to make money, therefore the most meaningful way to show appreciation for a business is to give it money (buying merch, tickets, whatever). The least logical way to show appreciation is hard to measure, but posting on an unofficial (unaffiliated) message board to the members of that board where no evidence of ownership being members exists… HAS to be in the running.

Happy to see how “more” logic supports some middle position, though.

[iggy_oi]

This thread needs more Loblaws

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

That a billionaire is going to help you out in the slightest and we shouldn't be thanking them for anything. I don't know if his post was emotional or not but I find your brand of flying above it all always down the middle to be a tad too much .

My goodness you're arrogant.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

That’s not how logic works. Sometimes logic is on both sides of an argument, or just one, but rarely does just sticking somewhere in the middle make for the most logical position. There might be logic that supports the middle too, but the idea that it’s automatically “more” logical to be in “shades of grey” is actually just nonsense.

I didn’t take FormerPres’s posts as any more personal than you assuming Cecil’s emotional state or how grounded in the topic they were, for what it’s worth.

Logically, if that’s how we want to measure things, businesses exist to make money, therefore the most meaningful way to show appreciation for a business is to give it money (buying merch, tickets, whatever). The least logical way to show appreciation is hard to measure, but posting on an unofficial (unaffiliated) message board to the members of that board where no evidence of ownership being members exists… HAS to be in the running.

Happy to see how “more” logic supports some middle position, though.

I stated my opinion pretty clearly, wasn't avoiding either side.

I said I "respected" those that want no public money in buildings, but said that I personally see recent history as a base to work out a fair deal.

Also said I'm happy they spend to the cap but wouldn't see the need to thank them for it.

Additionally don't see the need of taking a "cringy" post and attacking the idea of people with wealth as an appropriate response.

You don't have to agree with any of that. You can think I'm illogical.

Don't have to think that post was personal either! I may choose to see it differently.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

My goodness you're arrogant.

You're being emotional! Put me on ignore!

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

You're being emotional! Put me on ignore!

Yep not personal at all ... LOL

Just stop being an ass man, it's not that tough.

[Reggie Dunlop]

I don't think one can put Bingo on ignore, for Bingo is omnipotent.

All hail Bingo!

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Wow what crushing news.

You don't think his post was a tad emotional?

I have nothing but respect for those that don't want public money in a hockey arena. I'm more on the look at history and make a fair deal side, but I get the notion that they should pay for their own.

But the anger and emotion in that post shows to me a person that isn't all that grounded on the topic.

What meal am I missing out on?

Since I guess he “despises” you, I assume whatever Murray serves is laced with arsenic.