[Rumour] Weegar doesn’t want to negotiate during season: Friedman

[red sky]

Is Weeger currently better than Lindholm? Does he warrant a higher salary?

I admittedly haven't seen enough of him but I know his analytics are strong but he doesn't have as long of a track record as someone like Lindholm.

Is there a chance he is looking for high $7's?

[Paulie Walnuts]

I would say he is better than Lindholm overall because has more offensive ability.

The stat that sticks out was that he kills zone entries, something we had issues with against Edmonton. If we can kill the other teams speed at the blueline it will help our game that much more.

[ResAlien]

Weegar is pretty much Brodie with a different nameplate right?

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Weegar is pretty much Brodie with a different nameplate right?

I hope he is better

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Weegar is pretty much Brodie with a different nameplate right?

Ummm no. Brodie is the better skater, weegar has a better shot and is more physical.
The only similarity imo is that they are both good 2-way defenseman.

[Duffalufagus]

He is likely getting 7. I mean, that pylon 300KM's north is getting 9 and change.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

No, we really didn’t. Markstrom sunk the series against Edmonton, that’s pretty much the truth of it.

On the ice for 7GF and 4GA - those aren’t fancy misleading stats. That’s “oh he was on the ice for nearly double the amount of goals for as goals against.”

If we want to talk about unquantifiable statements, I’d argue that Hanifin and Andersson were the two who struggled without Tanev in the line-up because their roles increased in responsibility that they weren’t ready for (yet)…although that may be entirely quantifiable, but I just haven’t looked.

Markstrom was bad, but there is a little more to the story than that.

Yes, he was on for 7 goals for and 4 against. But the reason we have stats like xGF is because actual goals have too few occurrences. Think about the 175 ft shot that Andersson scored against Smith. Five Flames get a positive stat for that, and 5 Oilers get a negative stat. Over the course of a season, those things average out. But in 12 games, they don't.

When there are only 11 total events, any stats derived from those events are pretty much meaningless.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Markstrom was bad, but there is a little more to the story than that.

Yes, he was on for 7 goals for and 4 against. But the reason we have stats like xGF is because actual goals have too few occurrences. Think about the 175 ft shot that Andersson scored against Smith. Five Flames get a positive stat for that, and 5 Oilers get a negative stat. Over the course of a season, those things average out. But in 12 games, they don't.

When there are only 11 total events, any stats derived from those events are pretty much meaningless.

I agree, that series is too short to take a lot from. As well, that goofy first game skewed stats in a big way. Look at Tkachuk. 3 goals/4 points in 5 games looks OK. But the 3 goals came in game one, and the assist came in game two (in the third minute). The rest of the series he sucked.

[Bingo]

Reading some posts above ... took a dive into the final four games only of that Edmonton series.

The Flames top guys (2 of 5 are now gone) just got ripped apart.

Rankings

Most xGA in 4 games

Lindholm 3.84
Gaudreau 3.83
Tkachuk 3.74
Anderson 3.66
Hanifin 3.16
Kylington 3.11

bid drop to guy #7

Most actual goals allowed in 4 games

Andersson 8
Lindholm 6
Gaudreau 6
Tkachuk 6
Hanifin 6

gap to 4

High danger chances against

Tkachuk 16
Lindholm 15
Gaudreau 15
Andersson 14
Hanifin 13
Zadorov 13

gap

Now based on ice time ... all /60

xGA60

Andersson 3.16
Lindholm 3.00
Hanifin 2.93
Tkachuk 2.87
Gaudreau 2.76

GA60

Andersson 4.94
Hanifin 4.34
Tkachuk 4.22
Lindholm 4.2
Ritchie 4.02
Lucic 3.80

HDCA60

Tkachuk 14.05
Lindholm 13.67
Gaudreau 12.84
Andersson 11.52
Hanifin 11.47

As someone said above with Tanev out way too much responsibility given to the Andersson/Hanifin pairing. And the Flames top line got their lunch fed to them.

I don't want to dogpile, they're good players playing against great offensive forwards, but for a guy that has always wanted to move on from this core I can't believe they've managed to pull that off this off season.

Hard to know what to expect starting this year's playoffs with Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Bennett and Monahan no longer around.

Hopefully Weegar adds another brick to the foundation so it's not 3 defenders being leaned on but four.

[JackIsBack]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

No, we really didn’t. Markstrom sunk the series against Edmonton, that’s pretty much the truth of it.

It was clear to me that Edmonton was in Markstrom's head... going back into the regular season... he let in 5 and 6 goals against them in Calgary wins, and the only reason we won those was because we got 9 goals ourselves in both. He was cheating in the net - like I've never seen him do before, sunk in, where he let in a few goals over the pad and under the glove because of it.


I think we needed to start Vladar and was hammering for Sutter to do that, but he never did... Vladar played solid against Edmonton and Edmonton had Markstrom's number - it's as simple as that... I think the team would have responded positively too to a goalie change and it would have been a different series.

[Flamesfan05]

Yup, complete core is gone now.

[Strange Brew]

I am also of the belief that this core was unlikely to ever get it done and am very excited to see what we have now.

If Tkachuk and Gaudreau had wanted to stay, we’d be looking at the same group again.

[Flaming Horse]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Yup, complete core is gone now.

I am so happy for that.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Markstrom was bad, but there is a little more to the story than that.

Yes, he was on for 7 goals for and 4 against. But the reason we have stats like xGF is because actual goals have too few occurrences. Think about the 175 ft shot that Andersson scored against Smith. Five Flames get a positive stat for that, and 5 Oilers get a negative stat. Over the course of a season, those things average out. But in 12 games, they don't.

When there are only 11 total events, any stats derived from those events are pretty much meaningless.

Allowing guys like McDavid, Kane, Draitsaitl, and even Hyman to skate into the zone at will is going to destroy any goalie's stats. These guys are some of the very best in the world at burying pucks.

And then you've the psychological affect of the poor defence. Goaltending is very much a position of rhythm. The Oilers smashed any kind of rhythm the Flames had.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I am also of the belief that this core was unlikely to ever get it done and am very excited to see what we have now.

If Tkachuk and Gaudreau had wanted to stay, we’d be looking at the same group again.

Fresh faces, new leaders to step up as this is no longer Gaudreau and Tkachuks team, and I think the GAF meter is going to increase with the new faces. Exciting times.

[Jaydee]

We got our asskicked so bad by edmonton that Tkachuk and Gaudreau peaced out good riddance

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by blankall

Allowing guys like McDavid, Kane, Draitsaitl, and even Hyman to skate into the zone at will is going to destroy any goalie's stats. These guys are some of the very best in the world at burying pucks.

And then you've the psychological affect of the poor defence. Goaltending is very much a position of rhythm. The Oilers smashed any kind of rhythm the Flames had.

It’s not one or the other, it’s not even one causing the other
It was both.

The Flames were running high in game 1 and for whatever reason Markstrom decided stopping goals was not important

That gave the Oilers all kind of confidence and the defense collapsed. By that time Markstrom was already dead.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

It was clear to me that Edmonton was in Markstrom's head... going back into the regular season... he let in 5 and 6 goals against them in Calgary wins, and the only reason we won those was because we got 9 goals ourselves in both. He was cheating in the net - like I've never seen him do before, sunk in, where he let in a few goals over the pad and under the glove because of it.


I think we needed to start Vladar and was hammering for Sutter to do that, but he never did... Vladar played solid against Edmonton and Edmonton had Markstrom's number - it's as simple as that... I think the team would have responded positively too to a goalie change and it would have been a different series.

I don't think this was ever an option, nor do I think it is a viable solution. If and when the Flames beat the Oilers it will be with Markstrom in goal, and it will be because he has played great. Even if he has got a mental block hindering him against that team, there is no reason to think he can't get over it. It's a small thing, but it is a place to start: people forget that he was air-tight in the Flames's first win v. the Oilers last year; that's how the whole team will succeed against them.

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[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

It’s not one or the other, it’s not even one causing the other
It was both.

The Flames were running high in game 1 and for whatever reason Markstrom decided stopping goals was not important

That gave the Oilers all kind of confidence and the defense collapsed. By that time Markstrom was already dead.

Yup. I thought the turning point of the series was the two terribly soft goals by Hyman in game one. The Flames still won the game, but those goals inspired confidence in the Oilers that they could score and get back in the series.

From there, everything unraveled and the Oilers' confidence continued to grow.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I don't think this was ever an option, nor do I think it is a viable solution. If and when the Flames beat the Oilers it will be with Markstrom in goal, and it will be because he has played great. Even if he has got a mental block hindering him against that team, there is no reason to think he can't get over it. It's a small thing, but it is a place to start: people forget that he was air-tight in the Flames's first win v. the Oilers last year; that's how the whole team will succeed against them.

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It's a team game. Regardless of the fact that Markstrom is (deservedly) the starter, all options need to be on the table and everyone should be ready to contribute.

I thought the series was still winnable if they had made a goalie change - it was certainly worth a shot.