Training Camp Day 11 Notes - Flames assign 9 players to AHL. 6 players on waivers.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You don't sign guy who have a career high of 8 goals and 12 points to play 3rd line LW.

Rooney had decent speed in the games I watched, but he was signed to play on the 4th line. Bumping him to the 3rd line to sabotage another line so you can sign Cody Eakin is the issue. Just a stupid move, its like when they signed Grossman when he didn't belong on the roster.

If you are going to waste a contract, maybe do it on a guy who provides us something we are missing?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by boogerz

The Rooney signing is still incredibly puzzling. $1.3M on a multi-year deal for a guy that can be so easily displaced by someone on a PTO...

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I don't understand the appeal of Rooney at all, and having him on the third line — especially after an incredibly underwhelming camp — is pretty disappointing. Hoping he can prove his worth in the regular season.

I actually like Rooney's camp so far, but that's me. I liked him on the defensive side of things, in the faceoff dot, and on the PK. I thought he did a lot better job back-checking than guys like Milano, and Phillips. That's just my eye test though.

[mile]

Can Rooney be a Barclay Goodrow type of player and fit with Backlund and Coleman? That’s probably what they’re going for again. They tried that with Pitlick last year but it didn’t work out.

It might not look great but Sutter also dominated the 2012 playoffs with guys like Lewis and King in his top 9 and Nolan, Richardson, and Fraser on his 4th line so who knows. Just work hard, kill penalties, be defensively responsible and hope for the best I guess.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The thing is, his defensive results last year were terrible and he only threw 84 hits. So I'm not sure I believe it ... but we'll see.

Not a fan of the signing or the player, just recognize why they signed him. Since becoming an NHL regular he's been a +7 player in three seasons. I think that is what they liked and why they grabbed him. I would have preferred a number of our prospects over him, but this is the NHL and a Sutter team. Sutter prefers proven players.

[FiveSeven]

For #### sakes. Disappointed for sure.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by mile

Can Rooney be a Barclay Goodrow type of player and fit with Backlund and Coleman? That’s probably what they’re going for again. They tried that with Pitlick last year but it didn’t work out.

It might not look great but Sutter also dominated the 2012 playoffs with guys like Lewis and King in his top 9 and Nolan, Richardson, and Fraser on his 4th line so who knows. Just work hard, kill penalties, be defensively responsible and hope for the best I guess.

That was 10 years ago, scoring is up, the type of players playing on those bottom lines are different now as well. They need to score goals to be effective, 6-8 goals playing 3rd line minutes isn't going to cut it.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I actually like Rooney's camp so far, but that's me. I liked him on the defensive side of things, in the faceoff dot, and on the PK. I thought he did a lot better job back-checking than guys like Milano, and Phillips. That's just my eye test though.

I really like Rooney's game. I would not be surprised to see him get 10 goals on the third line while being an excellent defensive forward.

[Heavy Jack]

He’s pretty far above 140 pounds; it’s probably why they signed him.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

We have a glaring hole in the top nine yet non of Pelletier, Milano, Ruzicka, Phillips got to play next to or alongside Kadri/Mangiapane or Backlund/Coleman. You are bouncing these guys all over the lineup with players they won’t be playing with. Sure, they haven’t blown the door off, but has anyone this pre-season? Put them in positions to succeed. I don’t like how Sutter handled this.

We don't have a glaring hole at left wing or centre. That's the problem. Pelletier and Milano are left shooting left wingers and Ruzicka is a centre. Phillips is a right shooter but see all the arguments above.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I thought I read somewhere that he’d be going on LTIR, maybe I confused that with something else though.

What often happens in these situations is the player gets suspended from the team while they are away. Sounds cold, but it does happen and it allows the team to save cap space.

[topfiverecords]

The overreactions are … predictable.

[SuperMatt18]

I’m not sure Phillips would have made the team.

But you could at least given him a game with some of the actual NHL talent over these next three preseason games, he’s earned that much at least.

[Wastedyouth]

Didn't Kylington get waived last year?

[TheScorpion]

Two years ago. Made the team out of camp last year.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

The overreactions are … predictable.

Maybe...just maybe, these lines are not the opening day lineup.

[mile]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1576658404793516033

https://twitter.com/user/status/1576648214828044288

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://twitter.com/nhlflames/status...828044288?s=46

Sutters comments.

Basically says some guys sent down out performed guys left in camp but because of contracts they get sent down. Not sure how that is a good message to send when Treliving said the exact opposite.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

but this is the NHL and a Sutter team. Sutter prefers proven players.

Funny part is Sutter’s most successful seasons have come with young players on the roster.

03-04 Flames: Kobasew, Saprykin, Lombardi were all under 22, Regehr and Leopold were under 23

11-12 Kings: Doughty, Voynov, Clifford, Nolan, and King all started the season 22 and younger

13-14 Kings: Toffoli, Pearson, and Muzzin were all in their first or second full NHL season and added to the other young guys.

Sutter almost seems to have a blind spot to how he’s had most of his success. As of right now this teams youngest full time player is likely to be Dube is who 24 years old, no reason a guy like a Pelletier, Schwindt, Phillips, Gawdin (last year), etc didn’t deserve a longer look over guys like Eakin, Milano, or Ritchie.

Not even about making the team, just give them some ice time with the NHL squad.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

https://twitter.com/nhlflames/status...828044288?s=46

Sutters comments.

Basically says some guys sent down out performed guys left in camp but because of contracts they get sent down. Not sure how that is a good message to send when Treliving said the exact opposite.

Well, he clearly meant waiver exempt guys. He named Zary and Schwindt, I imagine Klapka might be in there too.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Sutter went to Manchester to watch the team and pick out some AHL players during the all Star break to bring up to the team. I think Nolan and King being two of the key bottom roster guys.