2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Higginson03

Sucks we didn’t do the trade for Stone, woulda been such a solid team, he’s Lindholm but at RW, and Valimaki is a none factor these days, brutal he’s what held the trade up

We likely wouldn't have Stone now anyway. The rumour was that the Flames were allowed to feel him out to see if they could sign him, and he wasn't warm to it. If that is true, the price for him would have been for a rental.

[Tkachukwagon]

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[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

What held the trade up was that Stone had no intention of signing a deal with the Flames. He would have walked years ago leaving nothing to show for the assets they traded.

There is no scenario in which Mark Stone would be a Calgary Flame today.

No one can say that. Only Mark Stone. Even then, he probably couldn't say for certain what one single season playing in the club could have done. Perhaps he decides to stay over the course of the season!

I am of the opinion that we should have made that trade regardless. Bet on yourselves. More so now that we know how pointless keeping Valimaki was.

[dino7c]

Stone had a contract with Vegas before he got off the plane...he was a pure rental in Calgary
His NHL career is also iffy at this point anyway

For people just putting him on the roster and thinking what could have been...salary cap

9.5 in Vegas so add another million or two for Calgary and fit that in

[Monahammer]

I can't engage in this conversation of denseness anymore. It is pointless to reflect on a situation that happened years ago and has 0 bearing on the current squad, and exponentially more pointless to pretend that any of us knows what would have happened in a future where mark stone was acquired and played for the club for a year prior to going UFA.

But, I think it would be patently stupid not to throw the kitchen sink at a 26 year old RHS RW who's a lock for 40+ goals just because we don't know he'll re-sign. Huberdeau signed here for 8 years without even coming to calgary first. We know literally ####ing nothing of what these guys think. Accept it.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I can't engage in this conversation of denseness anymore. It is pointless to reflect on a situation that happened years ago and has 0 bearing on the current squad, and exponentially more pointless to pretend that any of us knows what would have happened in a future where mark stone was acquired and played for the club for a year prior to going UFA.

But, I think it would be patently stupid not to throw the kitchen sink at a 26 year old RHS RW who's a lock for 40+ goals just because we don't know he'll re-sign. Huberdeau signed here for 8 years without even coming to calgary first. We know literally ####ing nothing of what these guys think. Accept it.

Lets be real here Vegas negotiated a contract with him before doing the deal...we do know this as it was announced immediately. Safe to assume the Sens also allowed Calgary to talk to him if they were that far along.

also you don't really know what you are talking about

"Perhaps he decides to stay over the course of the season!"

It was a deadline deal, he would have been here for a couple months

Your 40+ goal scorer has a 21 goal high with Vegas and a 28 goal career high. He hasn't scored 30 let alone "a lock for 40+"

[Kasi]

Yeah he’s a total lock for 40 goals for the guy who has never even scored 30. And his highs since Vegas is 21. Stone at 10 million would be total awesome I’m sure.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I can't engage in this conversation of denseness anymore. It is pointless to reflect on a situation that happened years ago and has 0 bearing on the current squad, and exponentially more pointless to pretend that any of us knows what would have happened in a future where mark stone was acquired and played for the club for a year prior to going UFA.

But, I think it would be patently stupid not to throw the kitchen sink at a 26 year old RHS RW who's a lock for 40+ goals just because we don't know he'll re-sign. Huberdeau signed here for 8 years without even coming to calgary first. We know literally ####ing nothing of what these guys think. Accept it.

He would only negotiate with Las Vegas, that's why the deal went minutes before the deadline.

The Flames tried to negotiate a extension with him, but he didn't engage with us so he was coming as a pure rental. He has ties to McCrmmon going back to juniors.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Yeah he’s a total lock for 40 goals for the guy who has never even scored 30. And his highs since Vegas is 21. Stone at 10 million would be total awesome I’m sure.

I'm talking about Pastrnak, Stone is being brought up as a comparison but you've adequately pointed out here why that's also not really valid.

[Monahammer]

ok, 3 months and a playoff run with a brother who loves the city and maybe some playoff success?

That sounds like a situation that could be alluring.

BUT AGAIN, we're talking about something none of us can possibly know about.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The brother we bought out and signed as a 7th dman?

What we do know is that he would only talk to Vegas, and none of the other teams in the mix.

What potentially could have happened is that 2 of Andersson, Kylington and Valamaki are not here today along with a 1st round pick, and Stone walking to Vegas.

With the team being so high on Valamaki at the time, our defence today could be in complete shambles.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

ok, 3 months and a playoff run with a brother who loves the city and maybe some playoff success?

That sounds like a situation that could be alluring.

BUT AGAIN, we're talking about something none of us can possibly know about.

He had a verbal contract with Vegas before they made the deal...we do know this

take the L

Also Stone hasn't worked out for Vegas anyway, massive cap and always hurt

[TheScorpion]

Stone's career high is 33 goals btw, not that it really matters all that much

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Stone's career high is 33 goals btw, not that it really matters all that much

28 on hockey DB

and everywhere else

[Paulie Walnuts]

His career high is 64 points back in his rookie season. I understand he's played at a higher pace in other seasons but that is his career high and 28 goals. Not sure he is worth 9.5-11 million it would have taken to sign him.

[dino7c]

and it wasn't just Valamaki for Stone

hindsight it would have been bad for the Flames, even if he signed which it's pretty likely he wouldn't have

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by dino7c

28 on hockey DB

and everywhere else

28 with Ottawa, 5 with Vegas in 18-19

33

(I think the trade wouldn't have been ideal either, just correcting the record lol)

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He had a verbal contract with Vegas before they made the deal...we do know this

take the L

Also Stone hasn't worked out for Vegas anyway, massive cap and always hurt

Lol absolutely not. For one, I am not trying to win on anything and it's entirely childish (and unsurprising) for you to consider an online forum in these terms.

The second is that you're making ridiculous assumptions. A verbal contract with vegas prior to trade, yes because Ottawa allowed them to make that concession. But when we were talking to him that verbal agreement didn't exist, if we had made the trade it's possible he never talks to vegas at all.
We don't know the exact timeline there, never will, and it's immaterial. We don't know what Mark Stone thinks on a daily basis, and YOU certainly can't claim to know what a hypothetical mark stone who exists in the timeline where he was traded here rather than vegas thinks. Because that's ridiculous; that timeline doesn't even exist, let alone the person for you to claim you can read the thoughts of.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Lol absolutely not. For one, I am not trying to win on anything and it's entirely childish (and unsurprising) for you to consider an online forum in these terms.

It's not childish to view arguments in terms of wins and losses. But it is very childish to accuse other people of childishness to avoid acknowledging that you yourself have lost an argument.

The second is that you're making ridiculous assumptions. A verbal contract with vegas prior to trade, yes because Ottawa allowed them to make that concession.

We know, because it was publicly revealed at the time, that he refused to make such an agreement with any other team but Vegas. It is public knowledge that he had every intention of signing with Vegas and no interest in signing anywhere else.

This is not a ‘ridiculous assumption’. It's a well-known fact, and everyone discussing the matter knows it except, apparently, you.

But when we were talking to him that verbal agreement didn't exist, if we had made the trade it's possible he never talks to vegas at all.

You don't know that. Ottawa gave him permission to talk to other teams, but we do not know in what order he spoke with them. It's quite possible that he talked to Vegas first, because we know he had a particular desire to go there. This would make nonsense of your case.

We don't know the exact timeline there, never will, and it's immaterial.

You just claimed that you did know the exact timeline, as I pointed out above, so it most definitely is material.

We don't know what Mark Stone thinks on a daily basis, and YOU certainly can't claim to know what a hypothetical mark stone who exists in the timeline where he was traded here rather than vegas thinks.

There is no such timeline, because the Flames were not interested in paying the cost to acquire Stone if he was going to be a rental. They discussed the matter with him, he showed no interest in signing here, so they did not make the trade. Given the assets involved, that was unquestionably the right decision to make.

Because that's ridiculous; that timeline doesn't even exist, let alone the person for you to claim you can read the thoughts of.

Nobody is claiming to read thoughts. We are all working on information that was released to the media at the time. Unless you are claiming that Stone and his agent were lying all along, you do not have a leg to stand on.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

It's not childish to view arguments in terms of wins and losses. But it is very childish to accuse other people of childishness to avoid acknowledging that you yourself have lost an argument.



We know, because it was publicly revealed at the time, that he refused to make such an agreement with any other team but Vegas. It is public knowledge that he had every intention of signing with Vegas and no interest in signing anywhere else.





You don't know that. Ottawa gave him permission to talk to other teams, but we do not know in what order he spoke with them. It's quite possible that he talked to Vegas first, because we know he had a particular desire to go there. This would make nonsense of your case.



You just claimed that you did know the exact timeline, as I pointed out above, so it most definitely is material.



There is no such timeline, because the Flames were not interested in paying the cost to acquire Stone if he was going to be a rental. They discussed the matter with him, he showed no interest in signing here, so they did not make the trade. Given the assets involved, that was unquestionably the right decision to make.



Nobody is claiming to read thoughts. We are all working on information that was released to the media at the time. Unless you are claiming that Stone and his agent were lying all along, you do not have a leg to stand on.

Toddler talk is hard to read give me a second

Edit: Ok i read it, turns out it was mostly pointless drivel, as usual from Jayboy here pertending to be a paragon of logic.

Safe to ignore replying in line to that bogus crap, but let's just cut the meat here:

2 months of stone, a 2-way rhs rw to go into the playoffs beside Gaudreau-Monahan vs Valimaki, a 2nd, and the equivalent of lindgren... so say Kulak? I guess?

Easy ####ing trade. In hindsight. And again, I would defend making that trade today without knowing.