It's not like they're free. How much money is going to have to be spent over the next few months/years switching things like the signage on the Court of Queen's Bench?
Last week, I had to download some government documents and all the "Queen's Printers" references have already been changed to "King's Printers". I'm sure it was relatively easy with digital files, but it still would have taken someone time to do it.
All the portraits of the Queen in every government building will need to be replaced with portraits of Charles. There's a lot of tiny things, but they add up.
Beyond that, there's the whole issue of having a non-Canadian as Canada's official head of state.
People insist it's vitally important that we have a figurehead head of state, who simultaneously has no authority but is somehow also vital to ensuring the government doesn't overstep its authority, even though the expectation is for the Governor General to simply rubber stamp anything the PM asks for.
Even if it's true that such a head of state is needed, there's no good reason it should be the British Monarch. In her 70+ years on the throne, how often did the Queen actually perform a function in her role as the Queen of Canada? The vast majority of the time, the Governor General performs those functions, so why not just make it all the time? Also, come up with a gender-neutral term (whether it be President or something else) so signage doesn't need to change all across the country every time it switches from being a man or woman.
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Sure, show me one from the rest of the world. I am waiting.
Maybe I’m not understanding what you’re getting at. Christ the Redeemer? Or like the entirety of Christian monuments all over Latin America? Direct result of Spanish colonizers. The huge ass Ghengis Khan monument in Mongolia? One of the most brutal conquerors in history? Doesn’t Belgium still have Leopoldo II statutes around and the famous RMCA doesn’t even touch on the atrocities in the Congo? Japans Rising Sun flag represents imperialist atrocities to millions, yet pretty sure it was seen at the Tokyo olympics. Barbary states have statutes monuments to their pirates who killed and enslaved thousands.
We’re still a commonwealth country, not even two centuries removed from the last colonizer/indigenous battle. Fact is if it wasn’t Britain, it would have been France, or Spain, or eventually America, or possible even the Dutch who had seized power. What would your propose our national police force look like?
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Maybe I’m not understanding what you’re getting at. Christ the Redeemer? Or like the entirety of Christian monuments all over Latin America? Direct result of Spanish colonizers. The huge ass Ghengis Khan monument in Mongolia? One of the most brutal conquerors in history? Doesn’t Belgium still have Leopoldo II statutes around and the famous RMCA doesn’t even touch on the atrocities in the Congo? Japans Rising Sun flag represents imperialist atrocities to millions, yet pretty sure it was seen at the Tokyo olympics. Barbary states have statutes monuments to their pirates who killed and enslaved thousands.
We’re still a commonwealth country, not even two centuries removed from the last colonizer/indigenous battle. Fact is if it wasn’t Britain, it would have been France, or Spain, or eventually America, or possible even the Dutch who had seized power. What would your propose our national police force look like?
Nope you're not getting it.
It'd be like a civilization on naboo, 200 years after the fall of the empire, parading around storm troopers as their peace keeping force.
It's symbolism; it was originally the symbol of imperial authority over the rabble of the colonies. Now it is just some good ol fashioned canadiana, that used to be the symbol of imperial authority over us rabble.
Does Mexico have a federal police force that romps around in conquistador outfits?
Does vietnam have a federal police force that dresses in imperial blue with the feather hats?
The closest comparison I can think of is the american south towns who dress up in rebel garb to reneact famous civil war battles, but even that is a far cry from dressing our actual federal police force in this attire. The FBI don't run around in ceremonial union soldier uniforms.
None of the examples you gave are instances where the state is perpetuating the use of a potentially troubling symbol for enforcement. I could systematically pick them apart, but I think you can see that they're not the same. If we just had a statue, or a painting of mounties that's one thing. But you could actually be arrested by a moron in a felt hat and a big red jacket on horseback.
Japans Rising Sun flag represents imperialist atrocities to millions, yet pretty sure it was seen at the Tokyo olympics.
Also somewhat of an aside, and somewhat interesting: The Japan rising sun motif actually comes from ancient chinese referring to Japan as the land where the sun rises, because it is east of china, the middle land (and all the land that matters in ancient chinese thought.) And the current has also been changed from the war time flag.
It'd be like a civilization on naboo, 200 years after the fall of the empire, parading around storm troopers as their peace keeping force.
It's symbolism; it was originally the symbol of imperial authority over the rabble of the colonies. Now it is just some good ol fashioned canadiana, that used to be the symbol of imperial authority over us rabble.
Does Mexico have a federal police force that romps around in conquistador outfits?
Does vietnam have a federal police force that dresses in imperial blue with the feather hats?
The closest comparison I can think of is the american south towns who dress up in rebel garb to reneact famous civil war battles, but even that is a far cry from dressing our actual federal police force in this attire. The FBI don't run around in ceremonial union soldier uniforms.
None of the examples you gave are instances where the state is perpetuating the use of a potentially troubling symbol for enforcement. I could systematically pick them apart, but I think you can see that they're not the same. If we just had a statue, or a painting of mounties that's one thing. But you could actually be arrested by a moron in a felt hat and a big red jacket on horseback.
Is Canada one of the only nations that still glorifies a vaunted symbol of colonial oppression as one of its prized national symbols?
The mounties look impressive because they're colonial era relics that were used to put down rebellion in one of the Empire's frontier territories, they were designed to look oppressive and imposing (and even then, slightly less so than their Redcoat cousins). It is actually kind of strange that we continue to champion them as peak Canadiana. They represent the exact times we otherwise try to collectively ignore/forget about.
Please explain how the NWMP was designed to look oppressive.
Is Canada one of the only nations that still glorifies a vaunted symbol of colonial oppression as one of its prized national symbols?
The mounties look impressive because they're colonial era relics that were used to put down rebellion in one of the Empire's frontier territories, they were designed to look oppressive and imposing (and even then, slightly less so than their Redcoat cousins). It is actually kind of strange that we continue to champion them as peak Canadiana. They represent the exact times we otherwise try to collectively ignore/forget about.
This isn't even true.
The NWP was created in response to not just Riel's rebellions, but primarily the 1873 Cypress Hills massacre. They were basically a frontier militia trying to maintain order in the newly acquired Rupert's Land from American whiskey traders and hunters who's skirmishes with Indigenous groups were a threat to Canadian national security because they could be used as an pretext for an American invasion. Their initial mission was not to oppress Indigenous groups, they relied on first nations scouts for survival, and they fought like hell to keep alcohol out of the territories because of the destruction it wrought on both settler and Indigenous communities.
The idea they designed to look oppressive is nonsense.
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The NWP was created in response to not just Riel's rebellions, but primarily the 1873 Cypress Hills massacre. They were basically a frontier militia trying to maintain order in the newly acquired Rupert's Land from American whiskey traders and hunters who's skirmishes with Indigenous groups were a threat to Canadian national security because they could be used as an pretext for an American invasion. Their initial mission was not to oppress Indigenous groups, they relied on first nations scouts for survival, and they fought like hell to keep alcohol out of the territories because of the destruction it wrought on both settler and Indigenous communities.
The idea they designed to look oppressive is nonsense.
Been waiting for some Mounties to get in here and defend. Tsk tsk. Oppressive. The uniform is designed after this one:
We're talking about taking design leads from pretty much the ultimate example of imperial force in our history.
Been waiting for some Mounties to get in here and defend. Tsk tsk. Oppressive. The uniform is designed after this one:
We're talking about taking design leads from pretty much the ultimate example of imperial force in our history.
This is probably not a popular take on CP, but police and military forces exist as ultimate coercive force for the government. Them helping you with your car accident is a side effect.
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