Russia invades Ukraine

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by starseed

Mass graves found outside Izyum. Ukraine is striking Russia with HIMARS.

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Reportedly killing one and destroying power supply in one town. I don't quite get the point of such HIMARS strike though. It gives no gains. Killing one person in frontier town will not terrorize Russian population at all. We read about one man dying in car accident or murder every day. A remote town left without power is no big deal. Those HIMARS should have probably be saved until a better target comes up

[Pointman]

Meanwhile Kherson's Russia-installed admin reports a "whole army of mercenaries at our gates". It's all in Russian official news. By now Russians are well aware that the war has failed.

[Samonadreau]

^ Something tells me even if it has 'failed', Russia (Putin) will continue to commit attocities. Like, the World doesnt hate us enough right now..... Lets make them hate us more. Lets rape and murder more women and children.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Reportedly killing one and destroying power supply in one town. I don't quite get the point of such HIMARS strike though. It gives no gains. Killing one person in frontier town will not terrorize Russian population at all. We read about one man dying in car accident or murder every day. A remote town left without power is no big deal. Those HIMARS should have probably be saved until a better target comes up

What's the source? I don't see anything on Twitter about any Ukraine attack on a power plant. Ukraine has deliberately avoided taking out civilian use infrastructure. This is what a military HIMARS attack usually looks like.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1570557091861131275

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Firebot

What's the source? I don't see anything on Twitter about any Ukraine attack on a power plant. Ukraine has deliberately avoided taking out civilian use infrastructure. This is what a military HIMARS attack usually looks like.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1570557091861131275

I found this in English, it's also in Russian language news. It doesn't read power PLANT, just that power supply is broken

https://www.rt.com/russia/562896-ukr...lgorod-region/

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Pointman

I found this in English, it's also in Russian language news. It doesn't read power PLANT, just that power supply is broken

https://www.rt.com/russia/562896-ukr...lgorod-region/

Isn't that a Russian Propaganda site?

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Isn't that a Russian Propaganda site?

It is, but Ukraine has been shelling Belgorod and Kursk area for some time and I believe it's not denied or disputed by Ukrainian/western sources. In fact, original post about Ukraine striking Russia with HIMARS seems to come from the western side. Also, killing one and disturbing power lines seems like a reasonable outcome of shelling, it doesn't quite look like a lie. Lying about it also seems to serve no purpose. If lying, Russians would either try to deny any damage at all or report significant damage to ignite fury.

[Pointman]

I found this proof on Reddit news thread. Can't open Twitter though so if the link below doesn't open, go to Reddit and search Valuyky

Missile strikes in a town of Valuyky in Belgorod Oblast in Russia tonight, reportedly 20+ missiles launched resulting in loss of power in areas of the town.pic.twitter.com/niP8lqfbb6

— Dmitri (@wartranslated)September 15, 2022

pic.twitter.com/niP8lqfbb6

https://www.reddit.com/live/18hnzysb1elcs/

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Pointman

It is, but Ukraine has been shelling Belgorod and Kursk area for some time and I believe it's not denied or disputed by Ukrainian/western sources. In fact, original post about Ukraine striking Russia with HIMARS seems to come from the western side. Also, killing one and disturbing power lines seems like a reasonable outcome of shelling, it doesn't quite look like a lie. Lying about it also seems to serve no purpose. If lying, Russians would either try to deny any damage at all or report significant damage to ignite fury.

It's probably a soft enough target, but also inconsequential enough, that Ukraine can display what they can do without poking the bear too much.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Reportedly killing one and destroying power supply in one town. I don't quite get the point of such HIMARS strike though. It gives no gains. Killing one person in frontier town will not terrorize Russian population at all. We read about one man dying in car accident or murder every day. A remote town left without power is no big deal. Those HIMARS should have probably be saved until a better target comes up

Either it's demonstrating capability, or possibly there's a non-obvius infrastructure connection, like an electrified railroad track or something that they want to disturb.

[Huntingwhale]

Wife and I watched this documentary (in Russian but has English subs). It's about some women from UA who now live in various places in the EU after being forced from their homes. How their lives were before the invasion on Feb 24, how they were able to escape, and how their lives are now.

A lot has been said about the grand scale of the war, but always good to be aware of what happens from a civilian's perspective. Some horrible footage of civilian infrastructure being targeted and is a sobering reminder of the brutality of the Russians and why the Western foot must never be taken off their throat. Particularly disturbing is how these women feared being raped by Russians soldiers using their dicks as weapons and what they did to prevent/prepare for it. Also shows the stress of not knowing if the next sound you hear is a missile headed your way. Heartbreaking stuff to watch, but also reinvigorated us to never give up fighting the invading force.

Some brutal scenes from Kharkiv, where I personally have been many times and my wife's home city. Seeing places I have stood, eaten and walked around being destroyed was infuriating. Wife can relate to how these women feel and it was very emotional for her watching this.

Recommend watching this if you want to see some refugee's perspective.

[Pointman]

Putin says he "will do everything to stop Ukrainian conflict as fast, as possible".

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Pointman

I found this proof on Reddit news thread. Can't open Twitter though so if the link below doesn't open, go to Reddit and search Valuyky

Missile strikes in a town of Valuyky in Belgorod Oblast in Russia tonight, reportedly 20+ missiles launched resulting in loss of power in areas of the town.pic.twitter.com/niP8lqfbb6

— Dmitri (@wartranslated)September 15, 2022

pic.twitter.com/niP8lqfbb6

https://www.reddit.com/live/18hnzysb1elcs/

A lot more than a power supply got destroyed with that attack based on the videos I saw.

Also Ukraine isn't allowed to target Russia proper with HIMARS (Crimea excluded of course). One of the main conditions in getting them. HIMARS are the Russian boogyman right now, but they would not have been used.

RT is a Russian propaganda site meant for western Russian consumption and banned in many countries since the war started.

That's why i asked the source, because there's one reality, and then the one that Russia tries to present. Russia also reported just one death when Ukraine hit the Saky base in Crimea (or as Russian stated a friendly fire incident), while there were videos which showed barracks hit and obvious some missed charred bodies that weren't hidden from camera view.

The reported launch site is within 5 km of Valuyki and Valuyki is 18 km from the Ukrainian border. The missiles also hit houses and different miscellaneous targets.

It's either a false flag, or much more likely a Russian MLRS malfunction. Could also be retaliation for the dam attack and a show of force that Russian cities are in Ukrainian range (which they most definitely are in range of now with the Kharkiv oblast 'strategic withdrawal'). There's also some odd twitter posts of the Kursk People's Republic taking responsibility. Nothing official on it and Ukraine hasn't commented on smoking hazards.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Putin says he "will do everything to stop Ukrainian conflict as fast, as possible".

Hopefully that means hanging himself.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by nik-

Hopefully that means hanging himself.

IF he really means stopping the war - and this is big if - I guess it is a move to break up before Ukraine takes Crimea. Russia pulls out, declares thàt fighting stops, and thus Ukraine would have to choose to either sign peace and rebuild itself or start another fight to conquer Crimea. If Ukraine goes for Crimea after Russia gives up, that would give Putin a reason to declare a war, mobilization and all. Also he may hope that the west would be less united in supporting Ukrainian efforts to retake Crimea after Russia gave up on Donbass and pulled out.

[nik-]

The decision to retake Crimea is not in Putin's hands and they no longer have the leverage to use it as a bargaining chip for a peace deal.

The Ukrainians are hammering the Russians, they don't need to stop.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Putin says he "will do everything to stop Ukrainian conflict as fast, as possible".

Oh I know this one.

Get the #### out of Ukraine. Problem solved.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Pointman

If Ukraine goes for Crimea after Russia gives up, that would give Putin a reason to declare a war, mobilization and all.

What does this even mean? Are you trying to suggest that Putin has been holding back prior to this?

I think Ukraine takes back Crimea no matter what Putin does. From Ukraine's perspective that is Ukrainian territory that was occupied unlawfully in 2014, no?

[Sliver]

Yeah, aside from nukes, what more does Putin have up his sleeve?

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

What does this even mean? Are you trying to suggest that Putin has been holding back prior to this?

I think Ukraine takes back Crimea no matter what Putin does. From Ukraine's perspective that is Ukrainian territory that was occupied unlawfully in 2014, no?

Putin has never declared mobilization, conscription, marital law, or, technically, even war. If Ukraine attacks Crimea, he probably will.