Queen Elizabeth II Has Died

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

And if you or others really did find everything grotesque about our ancestry and traditional histories, what are you doing about it, or what are you going to do about it?

Why is not celebrating it a bad thing?

Some people are acting as though others are going around singing ding dong the queen is dead just because they think she had some faults.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

A British monarch hasn’t had absolute power for 800 years. As the article I linked noted, by the time Elizabeth took the throne the Crown had only two very specific roles to play in politics, and even those weren’t exercised after the first few years of her reign.

The Crown endures as an institution in Britain only so long as it doesn’t exercise any real political power.

I'm surprised that people don't know this already. Magna Carta is an important historical document/event.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Ah yes, your classic cowardly snark, instead of an actual response.

Whataboutisms aren't a cogent rebuttal and undeserving of an actual response.

[PsYcNeT]

Additionally, the abuses she supported aren't even "historical".

Do we forget she paid $14m for Prince Andrew's rape case legal defense not 6 months ago?

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Whataboutisms aren't a cogent rebuttal and undeserving of an actual response.

It's not whataboutism. I'm pointing out to you that if human rights are important to you, you should reconsider following people who openly flaunt symbols that represent human suffering on a massive scale.

Colonialism did evil things. Communism did evil things. Two things can be relevant at the same time.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Why is not celebrating it a bad thing?

Some people are acting as though others are going around singing ding dong the queen is dead just because they think she had some faults.

Well, I guess I'm not aware of what her faults are. I don't know much about the Queen to be perfectly honest. What are her faults? The fact that she was a Queen? She was born into it.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Whataboutisms aren't a cogent rebuttal and undeserving of an actual response.

Why not?

See, I actually think whataboutisms serve a valuable purpose in recalibrating perspective.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Table 5

It's not whataboutism. I'm pointing out to you that if human rights are important to you, you should reconsider following people who openly flaunt symbols that represent human suffering on a massive scale.

Colonialism did evil things. Communism did evil things. Two things can be relevant at the same time.

I'm assuming you never eat Chinese food or Vietnamese food.

[TopChed]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

A British monarch hasn’t had absolute power for 800 years. As the article I linked noted, by the time Elizabeth took the throne the Crown had only two very specific roles to play in politics, and even those weren’t exercised after the first few years of her reign.

The Crown endures as an institution in Britain only so long as it doesn’t exercise any real political power.

Royals vetted more than 1,000 laws via Queen’s consent

More than 1,000 laws have been vetted by the Queen or Prince Charles through a secretive procedure before they were approved by the UK’s elected members of parliament, the Guardian has established.

The huge number of laws subject to royal vetting cover matters ranging from justice, social security, pensions, race relations and food policy through to obscure rules on car parking charges and hovercraft.

They included draft laws that affected the Queen’s personal property such as her private estates in Balmoral and Sandringham, and potentially anything deemed to affect her personally.

The Guardian has compiled a database of at least 1,062 parliamentary bills that have been subjected to Queen’s consent, stretching from the beginning of Elizabeth II’s reign through to the present day.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Well, I guess I'm not aware of what her faults are. I don't know much about the Queen to be perfectly honest. What are her faults? The fact that she was a Queen? She was born into it.

Some of them have been mentioned in this thread but there is and have been a number of issues surrounding the royal family, I think it’s fair to expect her to accept at least some responsibility for it with her being the head of that family.

Nobody goes through life being perfect and I don’t think she was a bad person, with that being said though I never understood the obsession some people have with the royal family and think it’s fair to criticize them when it’s warranted.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

She may not be directly responsible for it but her lavish lifestyle and wealth are a direct result of it. If it weren’t for the murder, subjugation and genocide of millions around the world, she wouldn’t be where she is today. It’s all blood money.

The Windsors get their money from land rents in the UK.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by TopChed

Royals vetted more than 1,000 laws via Queen’s consent

I assume they were all approved with no additional comment or push back, right?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I'm assuming you never eat Chinese food or Vietnamese food.

Given the context I don’t think that dog is gonna hunt Pepsi.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Windsors get their money from land rents in the UK.

and Taxes.

https://www.businessinsider.com/cana...in-2015-2016-9

https://britishheritage.com/royals/r...itish-taxpayer

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Given the context I don’t think that dog is gonna hunt Pepsi.

I owe it to myself to see how far down this human-rights-whataboutism hole goes, Iggy.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

and Taxes.

https://www.businessinsider.com/cana...in-2015-2016-9

https://britishheritage.com/royals/r...itish-taxpayer

Well yes. They’re paid for their official duties. Their private income is from property in the UK.

Whether they represent good value for public spending is up to the taxpayers of the UK to decide. But it doesn’t have anything to do with Kenya or Malaysia.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I owe it to myself to see how far down this human-rights-whataboutism hole goes, Iggy.

Fair enough

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I owe it to myself to see how far down this human-rights-whataboutism hole goes, Iggy.

don't forget to remind them they can't eat Belgian Waffles or like anything Belgian mostly because of Leopold II.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

don't forget to remind them they can't eat Belgian Waffles or like anything Belgian mostly because of Leopold II.

He drives a BMW. He's going to freak when he finds out what they did for the Nazis.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I'm assuming you never eat Chinese food or Vietnamese food.

Are you just playing dumb, or do you really not realize there is a difference between a country's regime, and their people and culture?

Perhaps my own family history makes it cut closer to home for me, but I find it shameful that people are smart enough to denounce things like swastikas and white-supremacy marks as symbols of hate, yet treat communist symbols like fashion accessories.