Emergency Alert for Dangerous Persons

[81MC]

Two ####ing years for stabbing two people, after a history of some domestic violence?

Shame on every ####ing individual responsible for continuing to allow (mostly) women and their families to be torrented, abused and all too often killed at the hands of those who time and time again demonstrate their exact intention to do so.

It’s beyond time domestic abusers who threaten lives are locked away for good. This is disgusting.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Seems like a clear Motive. Silence his exes entire family. Clearly just an opinion. But that was an extremely targeted grouping of ppl he took the lives of.

Might have been a spontaneous act too. Maybe him and his brother got in a fight with the in-laws, started stabbing, and went on a murder rampage.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by 81MC

Two ####ing years for stabbing two people, after a history of some domestic violence?

Shame on every ####ing individual responsible for continuing to allow (mostly) women and their families to be torrented, abused and all too often killed at the hands of those who time and time again demonstrate their exact intention to do so.

It’s beyond time domestic abusers who threaten lives are locked away for good. This is disgusting.

Come on now. He only assaulted his partner in 2011, 2013, 2015, and 2018. Just give the guy a few more chances.

Edited to add: I missed 2012, he also assaulted her in 2012.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Come on now. He only assaulted his partner in 2011, 2013, 2015, and 2018. Just give the guy a few more chances.

In fact, there are 'thousands' of people out there just like him so have some pity!

[browna]

My guess is OD. His brother yesterday and now him. Knew the end was near and pound as much #### into his system as the RCMP are closing in. Took a bit for it all to explode inside.

As much as they say this is random stabbings, my guess it isn't when they start digging. Sure, probably some people at the wrong place at the wrong time got caught in the middle, but my guess is most had relationships to these guys has been kept quiet these last days, until maybe now.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by browna

My guess is OD. His brother yesterday and now him. Knew the end was near and pound as much #### into his system as the RCMP are closing in. Took a bit for it all to explode inside.

As much as they say this is random stabbings, my guess it isn't when they start digging. Sure, probably some people at the wrong place at the wrong time got caught in the middle, but my guess is most had relationships to these guys has been kept quiet these last days, until maybe now.

Yes, he targeted his in laws, who he has previously stabbed and been charged with attempted murder. He plead guilty to assault and uttering threats and the attempted murder charges were dropped. Isn’t that ass backwards? Like guilty of the more severe charges and dropping the lesser charges seems somewhat reasonable.

Everything is ****ed. Our medical system, our politics system and definitely our justice system. What happened to mess everything up?

[Acey]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Instead of an investigation into the murders, a trial and potential answers to motive now it will be a review into how a suspect died while in RCMP custody.

I imagine both of these reviews can occur simultaneously.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Come on now. He only assaulted his partner in 2011, 2013, 2015, and 2018. Just give the guy a few more chances.

Edited to add: I missed 2012, he also assaulted her in 2012.

A lot of states have a 3 strike law where you're basically allowed 3 violent crimes before it's life. Of course we're cowards in this country and everyone can be fixed and successfully reintegrated into society so we could only dream of that, but it prevents this.

The United States is obviously not a model justice system... but we might be giving violent people a few too many chances.

[chubeyr1]

This thread is loaded with ignorance.

Not saying stupid or dumb people, just ignorance. There is a difference. If you don’t know you don’t know.

People bashing the parole board? I am not praising them.

In Canada if you go to prison you are eligible for parole after serving 1/3 of your sentence. At that time yes the parole board will make a choice. They are not letting you go scot free. You probably live in a halfway house and are monitored daily. Monitored till the day you complete your sentence.

Those that don’t get parole at 1/3rd of their sentence stay in prison till 2/3rds of their sentence. This is called “statutory release”. No parole board involved. You are free to go but will be monitored. 9 year prison sentence means 6 years in prison tops. Yet monitored. Commit a crime in Canada and you will be out of prison no later than 2/3rds of the sentence. It is how it is.

A sentence of life in prison? There is life 10 15 20 25 etc. All that means is these people are not eligible for parole until they have served that sentence of 10 15 20 or 25 has passed. Eligible does not mean you get it. Then it is up to the parole board. They have to make a choice. You can be sentenced to life 10 and never get out of prison. PEople need to realize a life sentence can mean just that. Life in prison.

In this situation the parole board did not screw up. They had no choice but to release this guy. It is the law!

I am not saying we should not change some laws but the parole board did not screw up.

Horrible outcome for sure.

Yet it is how the laws are written in this country.

Thousands of people are released from prison daily. No one expects something like this. Even if they did, nothing they could do about it.

You cannot try a person for murder before they commit the crime.

This is not an argument. Just facts.

I am not an expert but pretty close.

I know the system well.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by Acey

A lot of states have a 3 strike law where you're basically allowed 3 violent crimes before it's life. Of course we're cowards in this country and everyone can be fixed and successfully reintegrated into society so we could only dream of that, but it prevents this.

The United States is obviously not a model justice system... but we might be giving violent people a few too many chances.

The United States is literally the last country anyone should be looking at as a justice system.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

The United States is literally the last country anyone should be looking at as a justice system.

Yeah so I addressed that in the second paragraph of the post, not sure if you read it. The take away is that perhaps we're giving multiple violent offenders too many chances.

If you're saying absolutely nothing went wrong here and nothing needs to change or be reviewed then say that, but otherwise you completely missed my point.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

Yet it is how the laws are written in this country.

Thousands of people are released from prison daily. No one expects something like this. Even if they did, nothing they could do about it.

You cannot try a person for murder before they commit the crime.

This is not an argument. Just facts.

I am not an expert but pretty close.

I know the system well.

I'll call your "facts" and expertise into question. Statscan claims 243,000 custodial releases as a high in 2016/2017 across Canada which works out to 665 releases per day. That is well short of your claim that there are thousands of people released from prison daily. Globally, I don't doubt your claim but that doesn't seem to be representative of Canada.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1...pid=3510002401

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Locke

Whoa man!! Lets not...they cant get into those kind of 'Big League' circles just yet.

First they have to surpass Surrey, and then they have to conquer 'Stabmonton.'

And thats just to get them into the same conversation as Detroit.

You dont just swing for the King right out of the gates!

Ok well you can't just hang on Stabmonton as some sort of calling card without recognizing shankskatchewan

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I'll call your "facts" and expertise into question. Statscan claims 243,000 custodial releases as a high in 2016/2017 across Canada which works out to 665 releases per day. That is well short of your claim that there are thousands of people released from prison daily. Globally, I don't doubt your claim but that doesn't seem to be representative of Canada.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1...pid=3510002401

I did not post numbers just a guess.

I provided no link. Happy to be proven wrong. The point remains though. 665 people a day. They are released.

Everyone could be this monster just released.

I wont argue the numbers. All it takes is one!

[Acey]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

Everyone could be this monster just released.

To be fair, it's probably fair to assume someone released with a multipage record of violent crime is more likely to be the monster, as opposed to someone who committed mail fraud.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

I did not post numbers just a guess.

I provided no link. Happy to be proven wrong. The point remains though. 665 people a day. They are released.

Everyone could be this monster just released.

I wont argue the numbers. All it takes is one!

You are the one claiming to be pretty close to expert on the subject and that you know the system well. As such, I would expect that you could be a little closer than, at best, ~100% over the actual. We all use hyperbole to try to make a point at times but actuals are generally pretty easy to find nowadays.

[chedder]

I guess we'll never know why. Myles Sanderson dead.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...d=sask_suspect

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Acey

To be fair, it's probably fair to assume someone released with a multipage record of violent crime is more likely to be the monster, as opposed to someone who committed mail fraud.

The Nova Scotia shooter was once convicted of assault but managed to get that wiped eventually (obviously a whole other story)

The Vegas shooter had no criminal record at all.

The Greyhound murderer had no criminal record.


No doubt the justice system could be improved, but there are no easy solutions. Longer sentences for recidivists? Probably a good idea, but I'm sure there are plenty of consequences that are hard to fathom from our armchairs.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

No doubt the justice system could be improved, but there are no easy solutions. Longer sentences for recidivists? Probably a good idea, but I'm sure there are plenty of consequences that are hard to fathom from our armchairs.

Absolutely, I'm definitely not saying there's any kind of simple fix or that someone with no record of violent crime is not capable of becoming a mass murderer.

Just saying that, without any numbers in front of me, I'm willing to bet that someone released from prison for committing a violent crime is more likely to commit a violent crime again vs someone incarcerated for fraud et al.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

You are the one claiming to be pretty close to expert on the subject and that you know the system well. As such, I would expect that you could be a little closer than, at best, ~100% over the actual. We all use hyperbole to try to make a point at times but actuals are generally pretty easy to find nowadays.

I mean, if we really want to be pedantic, I'd bet there aren't too many releases on weekends or holidays. 243k over 250ish days is pretty close to a thousand per business day.

Does only ~600-1000 releases a day really undermine his point?