2022 Freedumb Convoy(s) Thread

[Just a guy]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

I think you have kind of misinterpreted Einstein's beliefs.

His statement about God not playing dice was a statement about his belief in the natural laws of the universe, and that the universe is deterministic according to natural laws. It was a response to the seeming randomness of quantum science, and reflected his insistence that the underlying reality of the universe was not random but operated according to natural laws.
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His belief in Spinoza's God was a denial of a God as a spiritual being that existed outside of natural law and reflected his belief in nature and natural law. He wrote on that:


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In a poem he wrote in dedication to Spinoza he wrote the line "Trust not the comforting facade" about religious belief.
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In the same letter as quoted above, he also wrote:



I'm not writing this to attack your whole belief system or anything, but I think you should really reconsider using Einstein as an example of a scientist who believed in a spiritual being or creator version of God. He was an agnostic who believed in a natural reality that unfolds according to natural law

Thank you for respectful discourse. I get your point and will look into it deeper.

[Snuffleupagus]

Being one of the most respected minds for decades Einstein was smart enough not to piss off 90+ % of the population in those days, but make no mistake he was most certainly an atheist.

[PsYcNeT]

Man I just wanted to read about morons being idiots, not dive into r/Atheism

[Monahammer]

Why do people who "believe in god" feel the need to profess and defend their beliefs with others? No one cares that you require a religious figure to feel comfort in the meaningless of your own life.

[photon]

Profess I can understand.. if I truly believe that my friends and family will experience eternal torment if they don't say/do the things they're expected to to avoid that destiny then I don't think I'd be able to help myself from trying to convert them.

In fact I know I wouldn't I used to do it.. I was a youth group leader, I was in the worship team, I preached from the pulpit.

Not much different than stopping a friend from drinking then driving.

So while someone trying to convert me can be somewhat annoying at least they have the courage of their convictions, so I find it hard to really get upset about it.

It's when some try to enforce their beliefs on others through laws that it goes too far.

As for defend, it was questions like "why do I actually believe what I believe, how do I defend my beliefs to myself" that led me away from my faith. So if people want to do that let em!

[speede5]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Why do people who "believe in god" feel the need to profess and defend their beliefs with others? No one cares that you require a religious figure to feel comfort in the meaningless of your own life.

Why do people who don't "believe in god" feel the need to profess and defend their beliefs with others? No one cares that you don't require a religious figure to feel comfort in the meaningless of your own life.

I've never attacked an atheist for their views. But one mention that a person believes in God and it's open season.

[TherapyforGlencross]

Originally Posted by speede5

Why do people who don't "believe in god" feel the need to profess and defend their beliefs with others? No one cares that you don't require a religious figure to feel comfort in the meaningless of your own life.

I've never attacked an atheist for their views. But one mention that a person believes in God and it's open season.

I’ve always thought that hardened atheists were religious, just in a different way. The two extremes act similarly. However, the religious nut has more potential to harm, hence the distinction.

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by speede5

Why do people who don't "believe in god" feel the need to profess and defend their beliefs with others? No one cares that you don't require a religious figure to feel comfort in the meaningless of your own life.

I've never attacked an atheist for their views. But one mention that a person believes in God and it's open season.

If religions only purpose was to help people ground themselves and be a good person, then it wouldn’t get attacked, but with all the death and destruction caused in the name of God, never mind all the other corruption, it’s hard to ignore, especially as science keeps peeling off more layers.

There is also so much ignorance with claiming “Gods will”, it’s hard not to jump on. “God has chosen to answer my prayers ‘cause I’m worthy”, unlike the millions of atrocities he ignores every day? Come on.

[Engine09]

Originally Posted by speede5

Why do people who don't "believe in god" feel the need to profess and defend their beliefs with others? No one cares that you don't require a religious figure to feel comfort in the meaningless of your own life.

I've never attacked an atheist for their views. But one mention that a person believes in God and it's open season.

Being an atheist is not a "belief", it's simply stating there is little or no evidence to believe in magic.

It's open season because these wacky beliefs effect all of our lives, whether it's holding back medical research, oppressing women or ruining the lives of gay people. Plus the stuff in your fantastical book is so outlandish it should be questioned and rejected in a modern society.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

Ya, to be fair, I have no source.

I wasn't saying it was solely a religious reason for being unvaxxed, moreso that religion lends itself towards skepticism when it comes to science.

I mean it's not like it was a science club violating health orders on a regular basis.

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My thoughts as well. It wasn't personal to just a guy nor do I follow the mantra of religious people are stupid or anything.

In my current job i have dealt with at least 100 people who were unwilling to get the vaccine. There were many reasons provided to me for why they didn't - lack of freedom, nuremburg, medical issue. But majority were certainly religious (and almost all, Christian); and many espoused significant religious views such as miracle experience etc.

Religion may not have been the reason, but it was certainly present.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Why do people who "believe in god" feel the need to profess and defend their beliefs with others? No one cares that you require a religious figure to feel comfort in the meaningless of your own life.

Do they? 60 per cent of Canadians believe in God. But I rarely (as in maybe once or twice a year) hear anyone talk about God, church, or their religious beliefs. Seems the overwhelming majority of Canadians avoid talking about religion in public.

[Regulator75]

Originally Posted by speede5

Why do people who don't "believe in god" feel the need to profess and defend their beliefs with others? No one cares that you don't require a religious figure to feel comfort in the meaningless of your own life.

I've never attacked an atheist for their views. But one mention that a person believes in God and it's open season.

Keep your imaginary friend in your head and in church where it belongs.

Atheists don't go door to door asking to save your soul, TV broadcasts, setup giant structures, demanding money, disapprove of all non-believers / different religions. Play blind and dismiss child rape, controlling women's bodies, pushing their belief agenda into government laws and legislation.

Religion is nothing more than a cult that owns more real estate.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by speede5

Why do people who don't "believe in god" feel the need to profess and defend their beliefs with others? No one cares that you don't require a religious figure to feel comfort in the meaningless of your own life.

I've never attacked an atheist for their views. But one mention that a person believes in God and it's open season.

I don't care what any person or group of people believes as long as they aren't doing harm. The issue with organized religion in our society, particularly the majority religion, is that they have outsized influence on government policy and the religious organizations, some of which are very wealthy, receive tax breaks.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Why do people who "believe in god" feel the need to profess and defend their beliefs with others? No one cares that you require a religious figure to feel comfort in the meaningless of your own life.

I believe in God/a creator but no longer support organized religion. I refuse to get into an online debate but would discuss face to face if it came up; I don’t bring it up.

My beliefs align pretty much perfectly with Dr. Francis Collins in The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief. I know that many of you are familiar with his book, which I’ve read twice (actually, read once and once by book on CD).

Collins was an atheist who through his work on the human genome project came to believe that the incredible complexity of the human body, our world and the solar system could only happen by a creator. When people say there is no evidence of God/a creator, there is my evidence.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Regulator75

Keep your imaginary friend in your head and in church where it belongs.

Atheists don't go door to door asking to save your soul, TV broadcasts, setup giant structures, demanding money, disapprove of all non-believers / different religions. Play blind and dismiss child rape, controlling women's bodies, pushing their belief agenda into government laws and legislation.

Religion is nothing more than a cult that owns more real estate.

PETA, Greenpeace, Super PACS and various other special interest groups do most if not all of these things.

Religion is a type of tribalism, if it wasn't religion, people would use a different vessel to further their agendas.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I believe in God/a creator but no longer support organized religion. I refuse to get into an online debate but would discuss face to face if it came up; I don’t bring it up.

My beliefs align pretty much perfectly with Dr. Francis Collins in The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief. I know that many of you are familiar with his book, which I’ve read twice (actually, read once and once by book on CD).

Collins was an atheist who through his work on the human genome project came to believe that the incredible complexity of the human body, our world and the solar system could only happen by a creator. When people say there is no evidence of God/a creator, there is my evidence.

I don't believe in any of those things. I also appreciate I probably know nothing and really no benefit to worrying about it one way or the other. I guess I just assume that given the vastness of the universe and the time lapse of its existence, we could easily just be a fluke.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I believe in God/a creator but no longer support organized religion. I refuse to get into an online debate but would discuss face to face if it came up; I don’t bring it up.

My beliefs align pretty much perfectly with Dr. Francis Collins in The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief. I know that many of you are familiar with his book, which I’ve read twice (actually, read once and once by book on CD).

Collins was an atheist who through his work on the human genome project came to believe that the incredible complexity of the human body, our world and the solar system could only happen by a creator. When people say there is no evidence of God/a creator, there is my evidence.

It's settled then, one of mankind's mysterious questions has been answered.

Gravity is God

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by speede5

Why do people who don't "believe in god" feel the need to profess and defend their beliefs with others? No one cares that you don't require a religious figure to feel comfort in the meaningless of your own life.

I've never attacked an atheist for their views. But one mention that a person believes in God and it's open season.

I was in Nashville recently doing some bar hopping on Broadway. Tons of fun.

There was a group of those extremist Christians (you know the ones that list gays, adulterers, video gamers, sissy men, Catholics etc as going to hell on their signs) on one of the street corners. One guy had a mega phone and another guy was just yelling.

One of their big signs was blocking the crossing signal, so I was actually unsure when I could cross. When I eventually did, I went up to one of the guys and said hey your sign is blocking the crossing signal you should move it. Now this is Nashville (hot as balls out) and the guy was yelling and sweating like a ####ing pig. He ####ing touches my arm with his sweaty hand and proceeds to yell some Jesus #### in my face and I felt his spit on me. It took every ounce of will power not to ####ing hit him. Wow was I mad.

I'd bet my house these people would support the Freedumb Convoy in Canada.

Maybe *YOU* haven't shoved your beliefs down people's throats, but MANY people do and I ####ing hate it.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Collins was an atheist who through his work on the human genome project came to believe that the incredible complexity of the human body, our world and the solar system could only happen by a creator. When people say there is no evidence of God/a creator, there is my evidence.

This is colloquially known as the 'God of the Gaps' argument; that is, we explain what we can using science, and anything we don't know can be explained away by invoking a god concept.

Because something is so complex that you can't explain it without deferring to a supernatural entity means that the concept of 'God' is, to quote Neil Degrasse-Tyson, "an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance". That's it. The more we learn, the less that can be attributed to a creator under the guise of "Well, how else could it have happened?"

[TheIronMaiden]

I can't wrap my mind around Christians in North America believing that they're being persecuted. Even if Atheism is growing, Christian values are so deeply ingrained in Canadian society that is still dictates everything from laws to cultural traditions.