Edmonton is No Good X: Up and Down Like a Toilet Seat

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Are there 2 RNHs? He's a good distributor that struggles to produce 5 on 5. Okay then.

He was on the PP because there were no other options. He likely sees much less time this year

I guess he's a great PP player in the same way Kassian was a first line player.

[memphusk]

The Tenderness is no good. Just like that whole team and his ####ty mustache.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Are there 2 RNHs? He's a good distributor that struggles to produce 5 on 5. Okay then.

Yeah. Because he lacks size and separation speed. Those aren't issues on the PP as there is more time and space.

He was on the PP because there were no other options. He likely sees much less time this year

He's on the PP because he's really good at it.

Since RNH's rookie year 2012 until 2022 he is 36th in points/60 out of all NHL forwards.

From 2012 until 2015-16 ( The year McDavid joined the NHL), RNH was 15th in points/60 out of all NHL forwards.

The guy is good at the powerplay. I don't see anyone on the Oilers that can take time away from him this upcoming season.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Yeah. Because he lacks size and separation speed. Those aren't issues on the PP as there is more time and space.



He's on the PP because he's really good at it.

Since RNH's rookie year 2012 until 2022 he is 36th in points/60 out of all NHL forwards.

From 2012 until 2015-16 ( The year McDavid joined the NHL), RNH was 15th in points/60 out of all NHL forwards.

The guy is good at the powerplay. I don't see anyone on the Oilers that can take time away from him this upcoming season.

And that is why I said he does not compare to Kadri (which is what the conversation was about)

I bet his days are numbered on PP1

[Groot]

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/h...-wire-9-things

According to Leavins, Duncan Keith has been offered an off-ice role with the Oilers organization. I wonder if that had any impact on his decision to retire. Seems shady.

[Locke]

Lets not lose sight of some of the awesomeness though.

They are still paying almost $3m per year for James Neal and Milan Lucic and....another $1.5M for Andrej Sekera!

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Groot

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/h...-wire-9-things

According to Leavins, Duncan Keith has been offered an off-ice role with the Oilers organization. I wonder if that had any impact on his decision to retire. Seems shady.

How is this not seen as cap circumvention? Would love to see the league crack down on it but of course they wont

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Groot

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/h...-wire-9-things

According to Leavins, Duncan Keith has been offered an off-ice role with the Oilers organization. I wonder if that had any impact on his decision to retire. Seems shady.

Meh, a lot of us were hoping something like that would happen with Lucic earlier in the summer.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And that is why I said he does not compare to Kadri (which is what the conversation was about)

I bet his days are numbered on PP1

Ok whatever. He sucks on the PP.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

RNH is on the PP because he's a strong PP producer. Very good puck distributor when given time and space...

Come on. RNH is on the powerplay because there is no one else on Edmonton who can play worth a damn.

Edmonton is no good.


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[FireGilbert]

Remember when the Oilers rushed RNH to the NHL as a scrawny 18 year old and then he injured his shoulder? Since then he's had an injury plagued career, only playing in 2 full seasons and only twice eclipsing the points per game total of his rookie season.

RNH could have been so much more if drafted by a competent organization that sent him back to junior for a year and waited for him to bulk up.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

How is this not seen as cap circumvention? Would love to see the league crack down on it but of course they wont

If they pay him the going rate for the job they're giving him, it's not cap circumvention. If they try to overpay him to compensate for his lost salary as a player, then it is circumvention and they'll have to lower his pay or let him go.

The league has investigated cases like this in the past, so there is precedent.

[thefoss1957]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

How is this not seen as cap circumvention? Would love to see the league crack down on it but of course they wont

My guys are the ones holding the bag on the cap hit...$5.5M this year, $1.9M next.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by thefoss1957

My guys are the ones holding the bag on the cap hit...$5.5M this year, $1.9M next.

Dumb rule in my opinion. The team that acquired the contract should be on the hook for cap recapture. What's the logic behind making the previous team on the hook?

[dino7c]

Jokes on them, Keith was their best dman in the playoffs

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Dumb rule in my opinion. The team that acquired the contract should be on the hook for cap recapture. What's the logic behind making the previous team on the hook?

The previous team benefited by paying the player a higher salary with a lower cap hit. The purpose of the recapture is to make sure that when the contract ends, every dollar of salary paid by the signing team has been counted against the cap.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

RNH is on the PP because he's a strong PP producer. Very good puck distributor when given time and space. He's definitely not a passenger on the PP. RNH does struggle to produce at 5on5, but he's pretty responsible defensively while not being great on that side of the puck.

I think Flames fans are tending to overrate Kadri's two-way ability. When you look at his career numbers he is under 50% on GF and xGF at the end of a season as often as he is over 50%. He also doesn't PK very much at all which is pretty uncommon for the best defensive centers in the league. I think the fact that he is physical/pesty makes some fans give him more credit defensively than he deserves.

Kind of depends on what Kadri they are getting I suppose.

His last two seasons are 55% xGF% which is elite. If they get four years of that he's a high impact add.

His expected ga60 relative to his teammates in Colorado has been positive in all three seasons that he played in Denver. That doesn't suggest a lack of two way ability at all.

[Enoch Root]

Last 3 seasons P/60 and P%, 5 on 5 (Player: goals / points / P%):

Kadri.....: 1.00 / 2.38 / 53.7%
Backlund: 0.54 / 1.75 / 53.0%
RNH......: 0.65 / 1.62 / 52.0%

Last season:

Kadri.....: 0.99 / 2.97 / 55.6%
Backlund: 0.56 / 1.63 / 59.3%
RNH......: 0.44 / 1.46 / 51.2%

Trying to compare RNH to Kadri is ridiculous, they are not in the same ballpark. RNH compares more similarly (and still poorly) to Backlund.

I would also bet that RNH's quality of competition is lower as well (playing behind McDavid and Draisaitl)

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Dumb rule in my opinion. The team that acquired the contract should be on the hook for cap recapture. What's the logic behind making the previous team on the hook?

Because they benefitted from the contract being lower… why the heck would the acquiring team get punished? The entire rule is dumb, but the intent is to punish a team that had an advantage by having a player paid under “market value” due to adding extra years to the deal.

It’s a “if they retire early then you cheated and we’re fining you” rule.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Because they benefitted from the contract being lower… why the heck would the acquiring team get punished? The entire rule is dumb, but the intent is to punish a team that had an advantage by having a player paid under “market value” due to adding extra years to the deal.

It’s a “if they retire early then you cheated and we’re fining you” rule.

The punishment should just be that contract is less desirable for another team to acquire and the team gets stuck with it. If a team acquires a player, they should be on the hook for all the possible negatives that come along with it.