Edmonton is No Good X: Up and Down Like a Toilet Seat

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

…….it will be funny to see Woodcroft exposed as the hack he is.

Ventrilocoach

[Sofa GM]

Looking in HFOil is just amazing, the media and fans legitimately think Kane can be had at 50% retention for a 1st, a couple B prospects and a roster player or two to make the money work (i.e Pullijarvi and Foegele).

Got extremely upset when I mentioned they won't take their broken pieces without an overpay suggesting it likely takes 2 - 1sts and either Holloway or Bouchard.

Just amazing.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If Kane slows down this season, it will be funny to see Woodcroft exposed as the hack he is.

I found it hilarious when Oiler fans were proclaiming Woodcroft to be this amazing genius tactician last year, when all he did was employ the exact same strategy as every other coach before him, which is to ride McDrai for 30+ minutes a night and just hope and pray that they can outscore their problems.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by direwolf

I found it hilarious when Oiler fans were proclaiming Woodcroft to be this amazing genius tactician last year, when all he did was employ the exact same strategy as every other coach before him, which is to ride McDrai for 30+ minutes a night and just hope and pray that they can outscore their problems.

Center is a much more important position than wing. Oilers fans think they are loaded up the middle but when you put Leon on McDavids wing he becomes a winger. The center group all of a sudden becomes

McDavid
Nuge
Ryan
Shore

IMO Nuge is very overrated and seem to ony score with the big 2 on the PP. Ryan and Shore is as bad as it get at 3 and 4

If they want to win they need to produce with the nig 2 apart. But even Leon's numbers aren't great away from McDavid. But they have spent some money on the wing now so you think you should be able to have some good top 6 options

[midniteowl]

They have upgraded their wings and their forward groups are better, so they can score on average 6+ goals a game. However, they have no caps to upgrade their backend and in goal, so, while scoring 6+ goals, they will allow 7+ a game. Instead of winning 6 - 5 they will be losing 6-7 more often than not.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

They have upgraded their wings and their forward groups are better, so they can score on average 6+ goals a game.

Is that with or without a goalie in the opposing net?

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Is that with or without a goalie in the opposing net?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

They have upgraded their wings and their forward groups are better, so they can score on average 6+ goals a game. However, they have no caps to upgrade their backend and in goal, so, while scoring 6+ goals, they will allow 7+ a game. Instead of winning 6 - 5 they will be losing 6-7 more often than not.

They are going to score more than 500 goals this year?

[Enoch Root]

I know it's summer, and summer is the Time Of The Oilers, but I would like to remind everyone that they scored 285 goals last year, good enough for 7th in the league, just behind the Flames, who scored 291

[Macho0978]

The problem with evaluation on their wingers is McDavid gives them all a bump

Hyman is a 40 point winger getting 60 there
Kane is a 60 point wingers getting 80 there
Yamamoto and Puljujarvi might be 20 to 30 point wingers

Imo that’s weak on the wing when that’s your 4 best

Monahan for years was said to be carried by Johnny. 99 points for Johnny 82 for Monahan is only 17 points difference. Monahan was typically within 15 points

Mcdavid gets 123 and his wingers get 55. Lol that’s quite the difference in production

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

They are going to score more than 500 goals this year?

If I'm an Oilers fan, the answer is yes.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Center is a much more important position than wing. Oilers fans think they are loaded up the middle but when you put Leon on McDavids wing he becomes a winger. The center group all of a sudden becomes

McDavid
Nuge
Ryan
Shore

IMO Nuge is very overrated and seem to ony score with the big 2 on the PP. Ryan and Shore is as bad as it get at 3 and 4

If they want to win they need to produce with the nig 2 apart. But even Leon's numbers aren't great away from McDavid. But they have spent some money on the wing now so you think you should be able to have some good top 6 options

Who would I rather have as a second line center, Nuge or Kadri.

A pillow soft inconsistant not great defensively winger or

A nasty center with scoring ability, strong two way play, a nasty edge and was a key playoff performer in a Stanley Cup run.

Sorry Nuge, you are the weakest link. Goodbye.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Who would I rather have as a second line center, Nuge or Kadri.

A pillow soft inconsistant not great defensively winger or

A nasty center with scoring ability, strong two way play, a nasty edge and was a key playoff performer in a Stanley Cup run.

Sorry Nuge, you are the weakest link. Goodbye.

I don't think you can compare RNH to Kadri, I think the most reasonable comparison is Backlund. And even then he loses.

Over the last 3 years, Backlund has 88 EVP and Nuge has 74. And Backlund is much better defensively. The only thing Nuge has on him is PP points (67 to 23) and that is simply a function of the fact that RNH has spent a lot of time on their top PP (because they have only had 3 players until last year).

[SaskyFlamesFan]

I think the entire Oilers fan club is underestimating how much the loss of Smith’s ability to play the puck is going to hurt them. With Bouchard actually having to turn to get the puck is going to highlight his greatest weakness, footspeed. It is going to be a lot easier to hem them in this year. It is going to lead to frustration by the wonder twins and eventually Kane. The Kane implosion is going to be the most fascinating thing to watch. 3 1/2 years of a disgruntled Kane will sink that ship.

[Major Major]

Ya that and their best transition D was Keith. There's going to be a lot of sour faced McDavid and Draisaitl hanging out at the red line while their D gives the puck away in their own zone.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I don't think you can compare RNH to Kadri, I think the most reasonable comparison is Backlund. And even then he loses.

Over the last 3 years, Backlund has 88 EVP and Nuge has 74. And Backlund is much better defensively. The only thing Nuge has on him is PP points (67 to 23) and that is simply a function of the fact that RNH has spent a lot of time on their top PP (because they have only had 3 players until last year).

RNH is on the PP because he's a strong PP producer. Very good puck distributor when given time and space. He's definitely not a passenger on the PP. RNH does struggle to produce at 5on5, but he's pretty responsible defensively while not being great on that side of the puck.

I think Flames fans are tending to overrate Kadri's two-way ability. When you look at his career numbers he is under 50% on GF and xGF at the end of a season as often as he is over 50%. He also doesn't PK very much at all which is pretty uncommon for the best defensive centers in the league. I think the fact that he is physical/pesty makes some fans give him more credit defensively than he deserves.

[USflamesfan]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

RNH is on the PP because he's a strong PP producer. Very good puck distributor when given time and space. He's definitely not a passenger on the PP. RNH does struggle to produce at 5on5, but he's pretty responsible defensively while not being great on that side of the puck.

I think Flames fans are tending to overrate Kadri's two-way ability. When you look at his career numbers he is under 50% on GF and xGF at the end of a season as often as he is over 50%. He also doesn't PK very much at all which is pretty uncommon for the best defensive centers in the league. I think the fact that he is physical/pesty makes some fans give him more credit defensively than he deserves.

That may be, but he is an intense competitor and a two center being inserted into Sutter's system that won Cups in LA. Sutter has always said that that Cup winning teams start down the middle. I think Kadri gets better under Sutter and I am not talking about more points.

[McG]

Pretty sure that an Xbox injury never took Kadri’s shoulder out…they don’t call the tenderness the tenderness for nothing.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

RNH is on the PP because he's a strong PP producer. Very good puck distributor when given time and space. He's definitely not a passenger on the PP. RNH does struggle to produce at 5on5, but he's pretty responsible defensively while not being great on that side of the puck.

I think Flames fans are tending to overrate Kadri's two-way ability. When you look at his career numbers he is under 50% on GF and xGF at the end of a season as often as he is over 50%. He also doesn't PK very much at all which is pretty uncommon for the best defensive centers in the league. I think the fact that he is physical/pesty makes some fans give him more credit defensively than he deserves.

Are there 2 RNHs? He's a good distributor that struggles to produce 5 on 5. Okay then.

He was on the PP because there were no other options. He likely sees much less time this year

[Reggie Dunlop]