[Trade] Monahan and conditional 2025 1st to Montreal for future considerations

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Barely any of them but I don't give a #### about the last three years of the deal as long as the first three are good. I am hoping to be pleasantly surprised like Gio and Tanev

And this is why we'll never win a Stanley Cup.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by flambers

Considering there is no guarantee Monahan is able to play.

They have just acquired $6m + of salary for a 1st

Plus Montreal will need to make another trade to move salary

I bet they are hoping, Monahan can play and then they will flip him before the deadline

Price is going on LTIR, no real need to make a trade

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

At 36/37 last season:

Pavelski, Bergeron

Thornton was still good at 39 in 18-19 for San Jose (51 points)

It's rare but centers tend to be the ones that can age the best.

So like one player in the last twenty years? And possibly one of the greatest centers of all time? Got it, thanks.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

We just gave away a first round pick to avoid paying Sean Monahan six million dollars this season.

We're going to be paying Nazem Kadri seven million dollars a season up until he's four months shy of his 39th birthday.

Yes. That is correct. What is your point?

[Roof-Daddy]

If Monahan's hips hadn't given out on him, neither of todays moves would have been necessary, but they did and if we want to give it a go next season Tre couldn't sit back and hope Monahan miraculously rebounded back to 30 goal form.

Kudos to him for doing what had to be done.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

How many players are worth $7m a season at age 38? I'm genuinely asking.

A person could also wonder the same thing with several contracts this off season

(Gaudreau 29 signing 7 years, Huberdeau 29 signing 8 years, Malkin 36 signing 4 years, Letang 35 signing 6 years etc)....

Players want term

Its a risk for sure.....

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

At 36/37 last season:

Pavelski, Bergeron

Thornton was still good at 39 in 18-19 for San Jose (51 points)

It's rare but centers tend to be the ones that can age the best.

More like Hall of Fame centers tend to age well…

[Matty81]

I like the Kadri signing but not a fan of this trade. the conditions, the pick, I understand this must have been the best we could do but losing a 1st for 8 months of cap relief for a 27 year old who should be a playable asset is way too steep. He will probably actually bring them in a mid round pick at the deadline and this is going to hurt even more

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

OMG, the this must have been Murray Edwards to save a buck crap needs to stop.

We have an owner that invests heavily in this team year in and year out, why do we have fans that trot out this nonsense over and over again.............

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

And this is why we'll never win a Stanley Cup.

Edmonton and Sabres are cashing in those cups every year. You need to pick a tear down and rebuild team to cheer for as the Flames will never do it. Coyotes and Blackhawks look good.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

OMG, the this must have been Murray Edwards to save a buck crap needs to stop.

We have an owner that invests heavily in this team year in and year out, why do we have fans that trot out this nonsense over and over again.............

Cause it is more exciting than Lucic exercising his NTC

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

But moving Lucic couldn’t possibly have cost more than this?

Maybe Lucic is here because that’s what Flames want. Or maybe he still gets moved.

Teams taking on full cap have said they want substantial assets. All rumours from talking heads on tv that the price was very high. If I had to guess it probably would have cost a 1st to move lucic also considering he had some sort of no trade clause. No contender is taking in $5 million plus of cap hit for a 4th liner.

[butterfly]

Treliving presser about to start.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EUqPB2DjvA

[just_tim]

In a hard-cap league, cap space is an asset. If you want usable cap space, you need to be willing to give up other assets. So today really boils down to a pretty basic transaction. The oft-injured Monaghan and a 1st for a completely signed Khadri. Smart GM’s do that trade 100% of the time. Haters gonna hate, but Tre has turned a potentially devastating off-season into one with a Flames team that is better than last year’s edition.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by dino7c

What's the cap in 7 years? Like 4M today....a lot are worth that much

With moderate revenue growth of 5% per year, based on last season's $5.2 billion HRR, the cap should be around $120 million in 7 years.

That would make $7 million roughly the equivalent of Coleman & Lindholm's contracts this season.

[Calgary4LIfe]

That's a steep price to move Monahan. Glad that (if I followed the complexity of the conditions correctly) Flames are more likely to keep the higher pick.. I may have to re-read that to make sure.


I do think that Florida is likely to start going downhill by looking at their cap space, defence, and how many prospects and picks they have traded away. I really liked that 2025 conditional pick from them. Flames have a chance to keep it still (again, I think!).


Treliving is definitely going all-in here. I was 100% fine with a rebuild, and I am 100% fine for going for it too. I just didn't want to spend picks and just spinning your wheels forever. I believe the Flames are a contender - as long as these pieces work. If not, well, in 2 or 3 years, the rebuild will commence. Hopefully the Flames will win 2 or 3 cups by then It will at least be incredibly interesting to see how successful this group is now.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

But moving Lucic couldn’t possibly have cost more than this?

Maybe Lucic is here because that’s what Flames want. Or maybe he still gets moved.

All depends on if he'd waive for a team that would take him. If he didn't want to move then he basically makes himself a list of 10 contenders.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

OMG, the this must have been Murray Edwards to save a buck crap needs to stop.

We have an owner that invests heavily in this team year in and year out, why do we have fans that trot out this nonsense over and over again.............

You can criticize Edwards for how he's negotiating for the arena, but you can't criticize him for not spending money on the actual hockey team. The Flames constantly spend to the cap year after year. I can't even remember the last time Flames had any significant sort of cap space remaining. If anything, he's the opposite of cheaping out on spending on players.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Matty81

I like the Kadri signing but not a fan of this trade. the conditions, the pick, I understand this must have been the best we could do but losing a 1st for 8 months of cap relief for a 27 year old who should be a playable asset is way too steep. He will probably actually bring them in a mid round pick at the deadline and this is going to hurt even more

You can’t sign Kadri if you don’t move Monahan

[dustygoon]

I don't like the part that if we don't end up with Florida's 2025 pick and the Flames pick is a top 10 pick in 2025 because we sucked, saved for it being 1st overall, Montreal would get our pick. It is so complicated to protect us from losing a top pick and then this fairly adverse situation could occur which seems incongruent to the rest of the terms. WTF.

TLDR: if we don't have Florida's 2025 pick, then the habs could get our 2025 pick if its 2nd to 10th