2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I would suspect Milano and Stastny are further down the pipeline if Kadri and whoever else don't materialize.

It's been echoed a few times today that Kadri, Milano and Stastny are linked to the Flames.

I can see why everything is being held up by Kadri's camp. Unwise to get on to plan B before seeing if patience lands you plan A. Hopefully there is movement there soon.

If Stastny and someone like Milano is all we get done before the season start this season isn’t going to go well. We will have problems scoring.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Considering Huberdeau gets a 4.6M raise after next year and Weegar likely a 3.5M raise that leaves 3.5M left over. If Kadri is added one of those guys needs to go now not next summer. If Kadri doesn’t come they have a lot more flexibility next summer as I assume a guy like Hanifin will be dealt instead of lost for nothing and I don’t know if they extend him. The summer after they have Backlund and Tanev also up but Lindholm likely gets at least a $4M raise and Kylington likely 2-3M.

I wonder when the cap will start to go up and by how much?

Yeah for sure, if we sign Kadri we would need to shed cap - likely Lucic I think. I was more commenting on keeping Hanifin and Lindholm. Lots of money off the books in 2 years, Ie Backlund, Toffoli, Zadorov, Monahan, Lucic )the latter two in one year), plus the cap will go up... I doubt we are unable to re-sign those players. Also, if in 2 years we are not a contending team we're probably in for a rebuild, just based on the terms of a lot of the contracts.

[Always Earned Never Given]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

If Stastny and someone like Milano is all we get done before the season start this season isn’t going to go well. We will have problems scoring.

So will the other teams against the Flames D. It's a 3-2 league!

[Imported_Aussie]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

My pure speculation is that we’re in on Scheifele. It seemed like there was a bit of a falling out with players in the WPG room. He is signed on to a decent deal for 2 seasons, but his character might be questionable. I would look to move a package around Kylington + Toffoli, or perhaps some prospects/picks if we can move salary out.

Winnipeg are in a similar position to us roster wise. They have a full slate of NHL defencemen but are light on forwards. Even if they keep Schiefle they need another top 6 forward. If the flames do a 2 (and picks) for 1 deal here, unless they are also moving a D to strengthen up front it doesn't make sense.
If they want to tear down, maybe there is a deal to send a salary dump and 3-4 young assets/picks, if that is a deal worth making.

[SuperMatt18]

The team has lacked a playmaker / puck distributor in the middle 6 for a couple of seasons now.

We have good 200ft forwards (Mangiapane, Backlund, Coleman, Toffoli, etc) but we don't have somebody to distribute the puck in the middle six.

Milano would be a perfect fit to be honest, his underlying passing metrics are great.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

If Stastny and someone like Milano is all we get done before the season start this season isn’t going to go well. We will have problems scoring.

I think some players internally will surprise this year… mostly through necessity. After losing Gaudreau + Tkachuk and only replacing one of them, I think guys like Mangiapane, Dube, and Pelletier (if he makes the team) will step up and player bigger roles - especially Dube because I think he could solidly his position as a center. Even Ruzicka or Phillips could take a big step. I don’t expect all these guys to do it but my hope is at least one or two of them do.

I know it’s risky because it’s built on younger guys making a positive impact on the team but I think more teams regret signing big contracts to older players during free agency than they regret giving young players opportunities to take on a bigger role. Not saying I don’t think Kadri is a good player… I’m just wary after experiences with Brower and Neal.

There are a lot of “ifs” on this team for this season. One of the most obvious ones is Monahan. He might find his game again. But I have more faith in the younger guys on the team stepping up than I do in Monahan getting back to his old self. I’m definitely pulling for him to do so… it would solve the hole at center ice quite nicely. It’s just very rare for players to come back to form after the injuries he’s suffered over the last 2 years.


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[Bandwagon Surfer]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I doubt Kadri signs a 1 year deal.
He wants to cash in on his anomaly of a season, with term so that he can set himself up well into his retirement age.

I think the lowest he'd go is 3 years, but I think it'll likely be 4-5.
He's been asking for 6-7

This is why I really hope we do not sign Kadri. Last year was an anomaly year, on the best team in the nhl, from a player who is already older that normal prime production years.



If we sign him to what he is looking for, we will regret it immediately. Best case he is a decent center who is a whipping boy for not living up to his big contract. Then it keeps getting worse every year we have him.



The flames would be much better off going for short value contracts on older vets like Stastny who are more open to 1 year contracts. Keep the cap flexibly and use it opportunistically when other teams get in trouble during the season.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon Surfer

This is why I really hope we do not sign Kadri. Last year was an anomaly year, on the best team in the nhl, from a player who is already older that normal prime production years.



If we sign him to what he is looking for, we will regret it immediately. Best case he is a decent center who is a whipping boy for not living up to his big contract. Then it keeps getting worse every year we have him.



The flames would be much better off going for short value contracts on older vets like Stastny who are more open to 1 year contracts. Keep the cap flexibly and use it opportunistically when other teams get in trouble during the season.

Kadri does not have to be an 80+ point player to help to the Flames while they try to win the Cup for the next 2-3 seasons with this group and coach.

That's the whole point.

He can back slide from his career year and still be the Flames 2nd best center and fill a HUGE need.

[dino7c]

Kadri may have been on the best team in the league but he didn't play with their top guys and still did very well.

[mile]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1559580687946379264

https://twitter.com/user/status/1559582651333443585


It's too bad Seravalli is on vacation right now, would love to hear if he's heard the same thing.


Big sad if true. Who would be plan B? Toews? Scheifele? Stastny?

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

If Stastny and someone like Milano is all we get done before the season start this season isn’t going to go well. We will have problems scoring.

We have potentially the best nhl D and a top 5 goalie.

The difference between Gaudreau + Tkachuk and Huberdeau + Weegar is 60 points.

Add Milano/Stastny and you cut that down to 20, with a few roster players still growing offensively and stepping into larger roles.

The gap in scoring/ability is probably going to be smaller than people think.

But yes, I'd much prefer adding a Kadri, Schiefele, Miller type player over middle six wingers.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/1559580687946379264

https://twitter.com/user/status/1559582651333443585


It's too bad Seravalli is on vacation right now, would love to hear if he's heard the same thing.


Big sad if true. Who would be plan B? Toews? Scheifele? Stastny?

This is getting kind of ridiculous since the isles have done nothing to make this happen and no contract has been inked despite weeks of "it is done" chatter.

Sounds like the isles are having difficulties figuring out how to make the money work without hurting their team and its not a sure thing that they will figure it out until they do.

Maybe these "insiders" need to pump the brakes until on paper the signing can even be made.

[Toonage]

I wouldn't consider Jason Gregor a good source fwiw

[Bandwagon Surfer]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Kadri does not have to be an 80+ point player to help to the Flames while they try to win the Cup for the next 2-3 seasons with this group and coach.

That's the whole point.

He can back slide from his career year and still be the Flames 2nd best center and fill a HUGE need.

I think the key difference in opinion is: I do not see Kadri filling the role. I see a 40 point 2017-2019 style Kadri, but older, slower, and with an attitude problem expecting top line minutes to match the top line salary he is asking for.


Leaving us with still having a HUGE need to fill, and a cap space mess that prevents us from being able to fill it. Essentially writing off any chance the Flames have of actually solving the problem in the next 2-3 years.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

If Stastny and someone like Milano is all we get done before the season start this season isn’t going to go well. We will have problems scoring.

Not sure why?

We scored tons last year, and while we are minus Johnny and Tkachuk, we've added Huberdeau and Weegar.

That's not the difference between a "high scoring team" and a team "having problems scoring". In fact, it may be little difference at all.

[djsFlames]

Man I want more 9pm bombs. That was fun.

Tweet us some eyeballs boys.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon Surfer

I think the key difference in opinion is: I do not see Kadri filling the role. I see a 40 point 2017-2019 style Kadri, but older, slower, and with an attitude problem expecting top line minutes to match the top line salary he is asking for.


Leaving us with still having a HUGE need to fill, and a cap space mess that prevents us from being able to fill it. Essentially writing off any chance the Flames have of actually solving the problem in the next 2-3 years.

Not sure how adding another Center even at just twenty twenty doesn’t help this team? unless you think Monny is coming back to do that?

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lucic had 7 fights in 82 games...I think we will survive without him

This is simplistic.
Having him there, available to kick someone's ass if and as needed, keeps some of the nonsense in check. Fewer fights suggests people know better, as he is not required to do so.

Eg) Him speaking to Benn in the Dallas series.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Not sure why?

We scored tons last year, and while we are minus Johnny and Tkachuk, we've added Huberdeau and Weegar.

That's not the difference between a "high scoring team" and a team "having problems scoring". In fact, it may be little difference at all.

The team will have to shut down as well as it did last year or better though. Especially early on when we're still working out lines and players are finding chemistry.

The advantage of last year's club is they figured out their best lines the season prior and were ready to go in October.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

If Stastny and someone like Milano is all we get done before the season start this season isn’t going to go well. We will have problems scoring.

Even if we don't add anything else we will still score plenty.