[Signing] Gaudreau to Columbus (7 x $9.75 million)

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Look I could have certainly misread Yen's and Fleury's comments at the top. Happens all the time.

To me it started to feel like anytime his wife was brought up someone had to come in and point out how that could be taken the wrong way, and it's not a good look, and you're better than that when I think if handled in a classy way it's still up for discussion.

But maybe I'm touchy.

Did see some "thanks" on my original post today though, so clearly I'm not alone.

I didn’t realize thanks meant so much to so many- I thanked your post!

[djsFlames]

Definitely feeling like Johnny is getting the boo birds while Tkachuk will get a standard ovation.

Matty did it right. Next day had a video tribute for Calgary. Apparently that isn't hard to do.

Gaudreau just focused on excusing himself & justifying his poor decision. Not much that came across as heartfelt for his former team and city.

Players here for one year have done better.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Mull

I didn’t realize thanks meant so much to so many- I thanked your post!

Honestly don't understand why you're so pissy. Seems strangely personal.

The above response is pretty petty and mocking, especially as I had just said I may have been wrong and misinterpreted things.

Maybe put me on ignore and move on?

[Mull]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Definitely feeling like Johnny is getting the boo birds while Tkachuk will get a standard ovation.

Matty did it right. Next day had a video tribute for Calgary. Apparently that isn't hard to do.

Gaudreau just focused on excusing himself & justifying his poor decision. Not much that came across as heartfelt for his former team and city.

Players here for one year have done better.

At the end of the day this is hockey and tribalism.

Players get and market themselves as heroes

Matthew also made smart strategic moves to keep his image when he left.

Johnny didn’t and even perhaps acted in bad faith towards the flames (and due to tribalism, therefore bad faith to all us fans)

This tribalism is partly why their career as sports players exists and they get paid gobs of money.

It’s also why it’s ok to boo any player you don’t like for any reason when they get on the ice.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Pretty sure I said making her a villain isn't cool and that any intelligent man would have his spouse involved in decision making.

Of course!

I'll reiterate, I am almost positive that 'the villain' in this scenario is his Agent. I think he dramatically mis-read the market.

Any responsible or intelligent couple would have discussed their preferred alternatives well in advance of the event and of course each spouse would have a say in it, thats just life.

Pulling the trigger on going to Columbus just reeks of panic.

But yes, leave Gaudreau's wife out of it. I would be 100% certain that she had nothing to do with him pulling the trigger on going to Columbus.

Zero.

It was probably just the last option available that satisfied their mutual criteria.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Honestly don't understand why you're so pissy. Seems strangely personal.

The above response is pretty petty and mocking, especially as I had just said I may have been wrong and misinterpreted things.

Maybe put me on ignore and move on?

Sorry.
I called you out for being sarcastic.

You responded with saying it’s “just fluff”

So I saw you caring about “likes” of all things and thought I could make my own sarcastic joke that made my childish humour giggle.

I didn’t know it would cause that reaction from you in that mine is mocking and yours wasn’t.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Mull

Sorry.
I called you out for being sarcastic.

You responded with saying it’s “just fluff”

So I saw you caring about “likes” of all things and thought I could make my own sarcastic joke that made my childish humour giggle.

I didn’t know it would cause that reaction from you in that mine is mocking and yours wasn’t.

I'm guessing I'm not the only one that finds your responses a little odd in the context.

A "thanks" is essentially agreement which was my only point ... I wasn't alone in my reaction.

But as I said ... just put me on ignore. Then you won't have to dissect my posts for correct definitions and appropriate levels of sarcasm.

Good day.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm guessing I'm not the only one that finds your responses a little odd in the context.

A "thanks" is essentially agreement which was my only point ... I wasn't alone in my reaction.

But as I said ... just put me on ignore. Then you won't have to dissect my posts for correct definitions and appropriate levels of sarcasm.

Good day.

Nah I am good. I have two (I think) users on ignore who only post in bad faith and despite your hypocrisy you don’t make the list!

However, offer is open to you as well regarding me!

[bdubbs]

The new season can't get here any sooner.

To maintain the topic at hand, after digesting Gaudreau's exit for the last month or so, I've decided I won't boo him but he's pretty dead to me for leaving for nothing. I know it's within his rights as a player, but it is well within my rights as a fan to not care about him anymore.

I just pray that the NHL Sim that someone posted in another thread doesn't happen. I don't know if I could handle Johnny getting the Hart and Art Ross next year...

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Definitely feeling like Johnny is getting the boo birds while Tkachuk will get a standard ovation.

Matty did it right. Next day had a video tribute for Calgary. Apparently that isn't hard to do.

Gaudreau just focused on excusing himself & justifying his poor decision. Not much that came across as heartfelt for his former team and city.

Players here for one year have done better.

It's funny that this is the perception when I think the reality is the opposite.

Gaudreau maybe didn't have the best exit in terms of doing something for the city or his Players Tribune article, but I think he was actually really torn up about the decision, cared about the city, and that it was actually a tough decision for him.

In the end it sucks how it went down, but that was the risk and game both the Flames and Gaudreau were willing to play. For all the grief that people give Gaudreau about "not making his decision earlier", it's not like the Flames actually gave Gaudreau their best offer until the last minute either. That was always going to come down to the wire on the last day.

Tkachuk on the other hand couldn't wait to get out of here, there was no painful decision to be made because he knew he wanted to leave, and did what was best for Matthew Tkachuk because he wanted to cash out on a long term deal after a 104 point season.

Sure Tkachuk's decision ended up getting the Flames a nice return, but he wasn't doing the Flames some favour here, he was doing what was best for him and it just happened to result in a good outcome for the Flames.

Funny part is this is what I've heard some Flames didn't like about Tkachuk in that he knows exactly how to control the narrative and the media to make himself look good to other franchises and the fanbase, even if it makes the team look bad. An example that was given was his over the top reactions in the press box when he was hurt in the 19-20 bubble playoffs, make he look like he cared so much about the game while embarrassing his teammates a bit.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Calgary Highlander

His jersey is in support of families dealing with pediatric cancer https://ebostrong.org/. But it is odd that he couldn't be bothered to pick up any CBJ gear while he was in town for his press conference.

I like that Huberdeau went out and got a Flames jersey as soon as he could, had it lettered, was wearing it out to events. It's nice to see a player excited to play for his new team.

I’m excited for Huberdeau too, but this is just silly. He didn’t go out and buy a Flames jersey. He was at public events with plenty of other NHLer’s all wearing their own jerseys. These are just provided to them- they couldn’t even get him our current jersey.

[Redlan]

Johnny signed with Columbus? Bummer...

[Vinny01]

Tkachuk is far more polished than Gaudreau but his uncle is his agent, his Dad was a star in the league. He played it better because he had better advisors. Johnny looked bad in his intro press conference when asked about Calgary, he took a while to release the players tribune article, he picked a much worse franchise than the one he left that is not super close to his hometown, he definitely left money on the table because the Flames offer became public. Tkachuk being an RFA allowed the Flames to cash in on a huge return, Chucky was quick to thank the org and fans, he went to the presidents trophy winning team in a great location for taxes and warm weather.

It is all about optics and it looks a lot better on Chucky than it did with Johnny. I still think if Gaudreau ended up in New Jersey it would have had less hate because Jersey is his home state and close to NY, and home. Columbus was a shocking choice and I believe offended flames fans more. I also think many assumed Tkachuk was heading to the Blues and the Flames would have got a mediocre return but when he gave them options and Florida was willing to spend big it rejuvenated Flames fans after a couple of tough weeks.

I was literally listening to the fan on the eve of free agency hearing that Gaudreau countered and they were negotiating and felt like a deal was going to get done and less than 24hrs he is a Blue Jacket in shocking fashion. With Tkachuk we heard he was certainly getting traded and when the trade broke we have the hockey world going on how the Flames made out incredibly well and we got 2 top players plus 2 future pieces in return.

Different situations but Tkachuk handled his better even if Johnny was more sincere about actually staying.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Look I could have certainly misread Yen's and Fleury's comments at the top. Happens all the time.

To me it started to feel like anytime his wife was brought up someone had to come in and point out how that could be taken the wrong way, and it's not a good look, and you're better than that when I think if handled in a classy way it's still up for discussion.

But maybe I'm touchy.

Did see some "thanks" on my original post today though, so clearly I'm not alone.

My post was directed at the folks who are over the top with their wife blaming and Johnny character bashing, and lets be honest, there are a ton of those posts in this thread. Was his wife a big part of his decision? Absolutely, but I'm tired of all the "Johnny's not a man", or "Johnny lets his wife wear the pants" posts. Again, just my opinion, but it's not a good look for those posters. And just when you think it's died down, someone posts something similar again (ie. that picture a few pages back). How is that virtue signaling?

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's funny that this is the perception when I think the reality is the opposite.

Gaudreau maybe didn't have the best exit in terms of doing something for the city or his Players Tribune article, but I think he was actually really torn up about the decision, cared about the city, and that it was actually a tough decision for him.

In the end it sucks how it went down, but that was the risk and game both the Flames and Gaudreau were willing to play. For all the grief that people give Gaudreau about "not making his decision earlier", it's not like the Flames actually gave Gaudreau their best offer until the last minute either. That was always going to come down to the wire on the last day.

Tkachuk on the other hand couldn't wait to get out of here, there was no painful decision to be made because he knew he wanted to leave, and did what was best for Matthew Tkachuk because he wanted to cash out on a long term deal after a 104 point season.

Sure Tkachuk's decision ended up getting the Flames a nice return, but he wasn't doing the Flames some favour here, he was doing what was best for him and it just happened to result in a good outcome for the Flames.

Funny part is this is what I've heard some Flames didn't like about Tkachuk in that he knows exactly how to control the narrative and the media to make himself look good to other franchises and the fanbase, even if it makes the team look bad. An example that was given was his over the top reactions in the press box when he was hurt in the 19-20 bubble playoffs, make he look like he cared so much about the game while embarrassing his teammates a bit.

The thing is Gaudreau could've easily changed the narrative around him with some calculated PR moves that would take minimal effort and he elected to go about it in a way that made him look even more like he had some kind of wrongdoing to excuse.

I think Gaudreau was a bit salty towards management/ownership about how things concluded and let it get in the way of just being straightforward and expressing gratitude to his former team and the fans. There was no direct statement. Could have been a one minute IG video.

He just quoted his ghost written defense article two weeks after the fact, and thats as much as he could muster.

Just pretty poor conduct especially for a star player. Doesn't matter which team it involves.

Actions speak louder than good intentions. I'm sure a lot of players put themselves first ahead of a specific team at the end of the day. At least Tkachuk took the correct actions when he could have just rode off into the sunset. Regardless of his character behind the scenes, he did the right thing. And it warrants more respect than the alternative.

If Johnny loved being a Flame so much he could express that directly to us with ease. His actions say otherwise.

[dino7c]

Tkachuk helped himself as much as anyone...he wanted to cash in on his 104 point season and leave Calgary at the same time

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by bdubbs

The new season can't get here any sooner.

To maintain the topic at hand, after digesting Gaudreau's exit for the last month or so, I've decided I won't boo him but he's pretty dead to me for leaving for nothing. I know it's within his rights as a player, but it is well within my rights as a fan to not care about him anymore.

I just pray that the NHL Sim that someone posted in another thread doesn't happen. I don't know if I could handle Johnny getting the Hart and Art Ross next year...

I don't know what the Sim said but I am pretty confident Columbus will be a bottom 3 team in the East and Gaudreau is not winning either of those trophies there next year.

[Vinny01]

It is a tale of 2 players in Alberta

Darnell Nurse scored 16 goals and 36pts in the 56 game season which prorated to 23 goals and 53pts in a full year and he leveraged that into a massive 8 year extension. It was only the second time he averaged at of above .5ppg.

Johnny Gaudreau had 49pts in 56 games and the 2 seasons removed from his 99pt year he would have averaged 69pts per season. When he is negotiating his deal he is likely looking at a long term deal of 7-8M per season. He decides to bet on himself and goes off for 40 goals and 115pts. Had Johnny scored 27 goals and 75pts in the Canadian division (numbers last year over 56 games) I bet he and the team sign that 8x9.5M before last season started. He couldn’t justify the big payday after the 2 year drop off from 2019.

I feel more comfortable with Huberdeau and his deal because he has been well over a point per game 4 years in a row and not seeing a wild swing in his performance like we have with Gaudreau where he has a couple of good years then a dip then back to really good

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't know what the Sim said but I am pretty confident Columbus will be a bottom 3 team in the East and Gaudreau is not winning either of those trophies there next year.

lol my friend, perhaps this is not the thread that you should be levying "confident" assertions about anything future-based in.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

lol my friend, perhaps this is not the thread that you should be levying "confident" assertions about anything future-based in.

So because I was wrong about Gaudreau staying I can't express confidence in anything else?