[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[USflamesfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Reading the HF thread it has turned into the fanbases trashing on their former players to prop up the return for their team but there are a few sane people there calling this a win-win trade which I absolutely think it is. Really teams can only go all in around that $10M range with 3 forwards (Leafs are trying with 3). I would rank the Barkov-Tkachuk pairing as one of the absolute best of any team in the league when you factor in the age and the fact these 8 year deals are just kicking in.

Florida was nearing the decision point with 2 of its players. Huberdeau and Weegar were entering the last year of sweetheart contracts and both need extensions or enter the market. Florida jumped at the chance to acquire a 24 year old rare type of player because he became available. They could sign him from 24-32 for similar or even less money than they had to pay the guy turning 30. Similar with Weegar but he is 29 when his extension kicks in. They had to include an average prospect and a 1st to secure their core up front for the next 8 years. I think in that right it is a win for them.

The Flames are told their homegrown star player and best of their top 10 picks during the Treebuild is planning on leaving as soon as he can so it is a 1 year or trade him now scenario. He is really only interested in 5 or so teams so nearly 85% of the market is out of the running and it is rumored a couple of teams do not have the ability due to the cap. Because Florida sees something they want they make it happen by giving the Flames the 4th highest scoring player over the last 4 years, and a top pairing Dman who plays well at both ends of the ice. Because they have a year left each they also include a pick and a prospect. The Flames acted appropriately and signed the centerpiece of the deal to the same contract they offered the play making left wing who just bolted for Ohio. By all accounts the Flames likely make Weegar a long term core member of the team as well. They turn a limited market into 2 core pieces of the team and some futures.

I think this is the definition of a win-win trade. I wanted Tkachuk to be here for 8 years and wear the C but since that didn’t happen I am extremely pleased with the trade return and fully support the long term deal handed out to Huberdeau.

I think its a win-win as well. I have a gut feeling that Florida will miss Huberdeau much more than Calgary misses Tkachuk. Huberdeau being the ultimate set up passer and great vision.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Then you should be absolutely ecstatic about having a guy that just put up 115 pts playing with Bennett and Duclair.

I am. I love that we got Huberdeau. I think we won that trade by a landslide. My contention was with the people who don't think Tkachuk hitting the market is a "unicorn" scenario. Kinda like whe people just throw out crazy ideas like "let's just trade for a Barzal." You know why you can't just trade for a Barzal? Because nobody trades a Barzal.

99.9999999% of the time, the idea of "let's just trade for a Tkachuk" is equally preposterous, because nobody trades a Tkachuk... making acquiring one just about as rare as a unicorn sighting.

It's possible to love the trade and be ecstatic about the return we got, while also acknowledging that Florida got a heck of a return as well.

Also, along the same vein as "Tkachuck won't do as well without Gaudreau," well, we've replaced/upgraded Gaudreau, but I see nothing in our organization that will even come close to taking Chucky's place. We may find that the falloff in winger talent from Huberdeau and the rest of the roster is significant enough that Huberdeau also doesn't do as well as he did last year.

[Strange Brew]

IMO Florida gave up too much to really call it a win for them. I see what they’re doing and having Tkachuk through his entire prime is huge for them. But they shook the piggy bank a few too many times.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I am. I love that we got Huberdeau. I think we won that trade by a landslide. My contention was with the people who don't think Tkachuk hitting the market is a "unicorn" scenario..

Pundits weren’t calling the trade a unicorn scenario. They were calling Tkachuk a unicorn player, and well before he announced he wasn’t going to sign a new contract with the Flames.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Pundits weren’t calling the trade a unicorn scenario. They were calling Tkachuk a unicorn player, and well before he announced he wasn’t going to sign a new contract with the Flames.

Yeah, to me the implication is Tkachuk is a player who does it all.

[robertsfanatic]

a little orange julius type of news but i had a conversation with someone who is in the hockey world that said MT was not liked by his teammates because of his attitude.

edit: and Sutter wasn't a fan of his either.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Pundits weren’t calling the trade a unicorn scenario. They were calling Tkachuk a unicorn player, and well before he announced he wasn’t going to sign a new contract with the Flames.

I’ve never understood why people call Tkachuk a unicorn.

He does none of his own heavy lifting.

He will fight, but he’s not good at it.

He’ll hammer guys, but he’s not overly physical otherwise.

He’s a good, smart player.

He’s no Jarome Iginla. Iginla was a unicorn.

[FlamesAddiction]

I think it’s a win-win at this point. Florida was likely not going to be able to keep both players beyond this season. They got a younger star player for his whole prime, so not much risk there. They also added an element that their team was lacking.

The Flames got two older star players that likely have fewer prime years left. In total, the Flames got 5-10 star player prime years split between two players, and Florida got a guarantee of 8 star player prime years with one player. The exact number of prime years the Flames get depends on if Weegar signs and when the players, drop off, so it isn’t easy to nail down.

The Flames also assumed the risk of having one of them walk or becoming back half anchor. But we also got a 1st rounder and decent prospect to make up for the risk.

Honestly, both teams should be happy at this point. The ultimate decider will be how the next decade plays out for both teams.

As a side, if we are being honest, neither Hunerdeau or Tkachuk are likely going to get over 100 points next season. It’s just an incredibly hard thing to do once let alone repeating. Huberdeau probably falls back to the 90s and Tkachuk to a PPG rate or slightly lower. I do think Hunerdreau is the kind of player to make his line mates better though. Tkachuk is no slouch either when it comes to playmaking, but I think the Flames win the vicarious point distribution gains with Hunerdeau.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

a little orange julius type of news but i had a conversation with someone who is in the hockey world that said MT was not liked by his teammates because of his attitude.

edit: and Sutter wasn't a fan of his either.

This would not be surprising. He does a good interview though.

[Mr.Coffee]

Now that Huberdeau is signed, I personally think this will go down as the best trade in franchise history. We got a 1st. I still kind of can’t believe it.

If Florida sucks the year prior to that first, we could be making out like absolute bandits here. Tkachuk is a great player, but Huberdeau is better and to get Weegar a prospect and then even the potential for a high first is honestly not even believable. It’s like those proposals we see on here by fans here that are hilariously one sided except in this instance it really happened. I’m like still kind of shocked this occurred.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

He’s no Jarome Iginla. Iginla was a unicorn.

This is a fair comment.

Unless, of course, Tkachuk is a unicorn and Iginla was a dragon.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Scornfire

Tkachuk isn't close to an elite hockey IQ unless we're just ignoring all his throwaway plays where he wastes a posession because he can't be assed to lift his head

He definitely has his brain farts, but he usually has a sharp IQ

-Uses his body well to protect the puck
-Has nice, quick hands to pull off those between the legs goals
-Is an underrated passer who sees the ice very well
-Is sneaky around the net and has great hand-eye coordination for tip ins/deflections

His speed is by far his biggest Achilles heel

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

a little orange julius type of news but i had a conversation with someone who is in the hockey world that said MT was not liked by his teammates because of his attitude.

edit: and Sutter wasn't a fan of his either.

This isn’t shocking considering the rumors about what happened in the locker room after the Muzzin incident

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Pundits weren’t calling the trade a unicorn scenario. They were calling Tkachuk a unicorn player, and well before he announced he wasn’t going to sign a new contract with the Flames.

Didn't Zito call him a generational talent? I'm not sure who they think they traded for, but he isn't even close to that.

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[Saqe]

It's a win for both teams and even more so for the Flames. The trade basically erased the loss of Gaudreau which is pretty amazing.



For Florida Tkachuck fits their core better age wise and I guess they're hoping he still can develop another gear, especially in the playoffs.

[Jiri Hrdina]

To me Tkachuk is a good first line player
Florida is paying him to be a franchise player. He may be that
But he ain't generational. I would reserve that for guys like Crosby, AO, McDavid, Matthews and Makar
Vasilevesky perhaps a generational goalie. Shesterkin could be one

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

Didn't Zito call him a generational talent? I'm not sure who they think they traded for, but he isn't even close to that.

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Yeah he did and also called him an unicorn. The whole PC was awkward with Zito drooling over Tkachuck, it was rough to watch.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

This is a fair comment.

Unless, of course, Tkachuk is a unicorn and Iginla was a dragon.

Well, fire cannot kill a dragon, so there’s that…

But Iggy was a true unicorn.

A superstar player who spent 16 years in a small Canadian market.

Nearly unrivalled speed and power - people forget about his skating, but prime Iggy was FAST.

A+ one timer, slap shot, snap shot, wrist shot.

Scored garbage goals and scored from 40 feet out on the rush.

Elite passer and playmaker.

Frequently took games over on his own.

Big-time player - 2 goals in the 2002 gold medal game, set up Crosby in 2010, his 04 playoffs (all his playoffs, really - career 0.91 playoff PPG as a Flame), “the shift”,

Leadership - I was at a pre season game vs the Canucks in 2005 when Jarko Ruutu caught Byron Ritchie with his head down. Iginla had his helmet off and was undoing his elbow pads before the whistle was blown - unfortunately the linesmen prevented him from doing violence. Jarome Freakin Iginla was ready to go to war in a PRE SEASON GAME to protect a 4th liner. Can you imagine Matthew Tkachuk taking up for anyone like that? He never even did it for Gaudreau.

Not only could Iggy throw hands with the best of them, he knew exactly when to pick his spot to have the maximum emotional lift for his team. Or for himself.

To quote nobody’s favorite former Flame, Shane O’Brien: “Dude, that was like (Jarome) Iginla, when I was in Vancouver and we were playing Calgary like, (Ryan Kesler) and (Alex Burrows) were like first period, Iginla would be sleeping. First TV timeout I would be like, “Leave him alone. Don’t talk to him. Don’t chirp him. Don’t ####ing slash him because he’s not in the game right now.” And if you woke Iggy up, next thing you know he’s had two goals, one assist and beat the #### out of Willie Mitchell or something. You’re just like, “Oh man, we should have never chirped him.”

Always charming, always gracious, always gave the impression that he truly appreciated being our Captain and our Guy.

Unicorn 🦄.

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I can't wait to see what Huberdeau can do with Lindholm, instead of Bennett/Lundell.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Well, fire cannot kill a dragon, so there’s that…

But Iggy was a true unicorn.

A superstar player who spent 16 years in a small Canadian market.

Nearly unrivalled speed and power - people forget about his skating, but prime Iggy was FAST.

A+ one timer, slap shot, snap shot, wrist shot.

Scored garbage goals and scored from 40 feet out on the rush.

Elite passer and playmaker.

Frequently took games over on his own.

Always charming, always gracious, always gave the impression that he truly appreciated being our Captain and our Guy.

Unicorn 🦄.

not to mention he did all of that in the dead puck era. Iginla in his prime was a terror.

Imagine what he could have done in today's games, where you could not obstruct him, hold him and interfere with him.