2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by saillias

I don't really want Josh Anderson or any Hab cast off that keep getting brought up. I don't think the Flames need another 5 million dollar player who scores at a 3rd line rate. And besides, if you dangle one of Andersson, Weegar or Hanifin that's a top pairing guy in his mid 20s. There are better, younger forwards out there than the guys who were part of the Habs 32nd place team

Anderson has to be off the table with his contract.

It's one if hanifin or weegar. I'd take a 6x6 Weager and trade hanifin. Mostly cause I think in 2 years hanifin may get 8mil a season.

If that let's us get a forward at 7 or 8 mil a season instead of 5 I'm all for it.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by saillias

I don't really want Josh Anderson or any Hab cast off that keep getting brought up. I don't think the Flames need another 5 million dollar player who scores at a 3rd line rate. And besides, if you dangle one of Andersson, Weegar or Hanifin that's a top pairing guy in his mid 20s. There are better, younger forwards out there than the guys who were part of the Habs 32nd place team

I wouldn't overpay to take Anderson off Montreal's hands (I believe they are looking to shed salary) but I think we're forgetting just how dominant he was in that cup run a year ago. A power forward on that top line would compliment Huberdeau & Lindholm. He'd be a great fit.

Overrated? Maybe a bit. But playing with those two on our top line he'd meet local expectations IMO.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I wouldn't overpay to take Anderson off Montreal's hands (I believe they are looking to shed salary) but I think we're forgetting just how dominant he was in that cup run a year ago. A power forward on that top line would compliment Huberdeau & Lindholm. He'd be a great fit.

Overrated? Maybe a bit. But playing with those two on our top line he'd meet local expectations IMO.

Where is Brandon Saad these days and is he still good.

I want Tom Wilson.. I don't care that you guys hate him.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Why do people act as though including a player in a trade scenario means you hate or undervalue him? We want to get a good player back, don’t we? That means giving up a good player. Damaged goods (Monahan) and table scraps (Valimaki) aren’t going to cut it.

My comments about him being under valued is more about the criticisms I see against him, and how often he is included in deals. I just don't think you are going to replace his minutes as easily. Though I agree with Weegar now here perhaps you can.

[djsFlames]

It's also worth pointing out Hanifin's putrid playoff performance.

Most mistake prone player on the Flames. Weegar has his brain farts too but I don't think it came close to what Noah served up to the Oil over 5 games.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

It's also worth pointing out Hanifin's putrid playoff performance.

Most mistake prone player on the Flames. Weegar has his brain farts too but I don't think it came close to what Noah served up to the Oil over 5 games.

Was he injured or just a deer in headlights?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

If this is in reference to Kylington/Zadina, my post was a critique on that proposed trade. Kylington is good and Zadina is not, which in my eyes meant they were undervaluing Kylington.

No, just in general. Hanifin or Kylington get mentioned in this thread in any context and people complain that they’re hated or underrated.

[Bleeding Red]

I wouldn't be so quick to give up FLA's #1. Anyone know how a lottery pick is defined?
If FLA misses the playoffs in 2025, is that pick a lottery pick? If so, then they keep it and CGY gets FLA's 2026 pick - lottery or not.

I can see FLA missing the playoffs in either '25 or '26 - that is a hard division and conference.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

I wouldn't be so quick to give up FLA's #1. Anyone know how a lottery pick is defined?
If FLA misses the playoffs in 2025, is that pick a lottery pick? If so, then they keep it and CGY gets FLA's 2026 pick - lottery or not.

I can see FLA missing the playoffs in either '25 or '26 - that is a hard division and conference.

The pick is at worst a late 1st. But has potential at maybe unlikely but huge upside!

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I'm thinking since we have 2 2025 1sts we can use one for the forward help. Valimaki + 1st + expiring cap dump should be able to land you a good middle six forward from a team that isn't going to be competing next season.

Also a no to Anderson for me too. Why on earth would we take on that contract.

I don't think Valimaki has much if any value left. Would you get more than a 5th round pick if you put him on the market? That first has value of course.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

It's also worth pointing out Hanifin's putrid playoff performance.

Most mistake prone player on the Flames. Weegar has his brain farts too but I don't think it came close to what Noah served up to the Oil over 5 games.

Goaltending and competition magnifies this. It can't be understated how unlucky Andersson and Hanifin were as a pair in that series against the Oilers at 5v5.

Corsi For: 57.6%
Shots For: 52.3%
High Danger: 57.1% (20 For, 15 Against)
Expected Goals: 52.3% (4.2 For, 3.8 Against)

Goals: 18.2% (2 For, 9 Against)

They were -2.2 on Expected Goals For, and +5.2 on Expected goals against. Instead of being even at 5v5 they finish -7.

On ice shooting percentage: 4.44% (Abysmal)
On Ice save percentage: .780 (Criminal)

Flames really did deserve a better fate that series and every grade A chance the Oilers had ended up in the back of the net.

[FBI]

I don't think we should all give up on Valimaki just yet

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by FBI

I don't think we should all give up on Valimaki just yet

Agreed. Look how Kylington has blossomed into a full time dman. Not everyone jumps into the NHL and makes a difference right away.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by FBI

I don't think we should all give up on Valimaki just yet

People are nuts. He’s two years younger than Kylington.

[Gaudfather]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

Agreed. Look how Kylington has blossomed into a full time dman. Not everyone jumps into the NHL and makes a difference right away.

Agreed - Some GM's have said that an NHL d-man needs 200 games under his belt to really show what they can do.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

People are nuts. He’s two years younger than Kylington.

So you have 8 NHL contract defensemen that won't clear waivers.
I am assuming that Valimaki and Mackey won't clear because they are young, cheap, and have potential and there are 3-5 teams looking to bottom out and accumulate young talent.

Every time a defensemans name comes up about being traded there is outcry, but at some point in time at least one of those eight has to be moved or they will be lost for nothing.

So is it better to move out a young unproven defenseman like Valimaki for a Zadina, Glass, Valardi?

Or better to move out a solid top 4 defenseman like Hanifin for a Keller, Beauvillier, Faksa, Bratt?

The Flames need another top six skilled scoring player unless you think that Pelltier and/or Ruzicka on the third line are going to make up for the lost offense ove Tkachuk.

[TheScorpion]

The major issue with Valimaki is his boots. I just don't think he has, or will have, the skating ability to be a full-time NHL player. He struggled to keep up at the AHL level.

He'll need to really improve in that area before he can be an everyday guy with the Flames.

[Toonage]

I'm not giving up on Valimaki but if the Flames are looking to make a hockey trade to bolster the top 6 he's a piece they have to look at moving. He isn't likely to crack the roster (at least not the opening night or barring injury) and he has that draft pedigree and, as noted, still has that untapped potential. It might bite the Flames in the butt a few years down the road, but they're looking to win now.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The major issue with Valimaki is his boots. I just don't think he has, or will have, the skating ability to be a full-time NHL player. He struggled to keep up at the AHL level.

He'll need to really improve in that area before he can be an everyday guy with the Flames.

Conditioning or style?

[TheScorpion]

I simply don't think he has the agility. I don't think it has anything to do with conditioning. He was never the fastest guy, and that's gone down even more in the wake of his recent injuries.