08-02-2022, 10:19 PM
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#101
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Voted for Kodos
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Originally Posted by blankall
Only saves about $300k. Not worth it.
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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop
Yeah, I knew there was some catch.
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Why would you buyout Lucic when you can trade him to a team that doesn’t care about salary cap? Even if you have to pay a tiny bit to do so, it’s much better than buying him out.
He only has $1million left in salary to be paid.
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08-02-2022, 10:23 PM
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#102
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed
Why would you buyout Lucic when you can trade him to a team that doesn’t care about salary cap? Even if you have to pay a tiny bit to do so, it’s much better than buying him out.
He only has $1million left in salary to be paid.
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$875k in actual dollars owed for $5.25 million in cap. At $875k he's a steal.
Less than $1 million owed as the Oilers retained.
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08-02-2022, 10:24 PM
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#103
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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At that cap hit I would have thought 4-6 years would have been the term. 35 goals one year but never hit 60pts. He either plays well and goes for a long term poorly aging deal or moves on.
Not the best deal in my opinion.
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08-02-2022, 10:28 PM
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#104
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Originally Posted by OptimalTates
No this is Mangiapane, OK was signed earlier today.
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Upset I didn't think of this first.
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08-02-2022, 10:36 PM
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#105
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Franchise Player
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Unless you are pretty darn sure about a player, it's better to keep them hungry with shorter terms. I feel more sure about Mangi than OK, but I really like both deals.
From an asset mgmt standpoint, the team is poised for a strong start to the next rebuild, but also have the flexibility to manoeuvre if they somehow become a sustained contender.
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08-02-2022, 10:43 PM
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#106
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Mangiapane was 22nd in the NHL in Even Strength Goals per 60, one spot behind Laine. If he gets more PP time, look out.
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08-02-2022, 10:49 PM
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#107
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Vinny01
At that cap hit I would have thought 4-6 years would have been the term. 35 goals one year but never hit 60pts. He either plays well and goes for a long term poorly aging deal or moves on.
Not the best deal in my opinion.
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His linemates:
Backlund: 12 goals
Coleman: 16 goals
Neither were exactly offensive dynamos.
Last edited by ComixZone; 08-02-2022 at 10:54 PM.
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08-02-2022, 10:56 PM
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#108
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Franchise Player
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Good deal. Not great, but a good deal for the team and player. Need to dump Lucic and add another forward with similar scoring ability.
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08-02-2022, 11:03 PM
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#109
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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I like the term from a Flames standpoint. If Gives Mange huge motivation to perform in the next 3 years to maximize his next contract. That means he will be gunning to consistently score 30+ these next few years during Flames' window for winning. If they get Huberdeau and Weegar extended, all of a sudden Flames have a solid 3+ year contention window.
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08-02-2022, 11:17 PM
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#111
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#1 Goaltender
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I don't understand why people assume a longer deal would have been more money?
Price is a little high, term is great for the flames. If Mang earns this contract he should be contributing to a good team that attracts players, but a small second line scoring winger is exactly the type of player that can disappear in his early 30, for Mang to get a longer higher total value contract, if I were the flames I would have asked for lower aav.
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08-02-2022, 11:24 PM
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#112
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Flames Town
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I bet many didn't predict that out of Gaudreau, Tkachuk, and Mangiapane - it would be Mangiapane who remains a Flame.
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08-02-2022, 11:25 PM
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#113
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by #-3
I don't understand why people assume a longer deal would have been more money?
Price is a little high, term is great for the flames. If Mang earns this contract he should be contributing to a good team that attracts players, but a small second line scoring winger is exactly the type of player that can disappear in his early 30, for Mang to get a longer higher total value contract, if I were the flames I would have asked for lower aav.
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Because with an RFA the salary goes up if you buy UFA years.
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08-02-2022, 11:26 PM
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#114
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by #-3
I don't understand why people assume a longer deal would have been more money?
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Because they would be buying more UFA years. Mang scored 35 goals last year without playing on the top line and with only limited PP time. He could be a 40+ goal scorer if playing with top line talent. Plus, his advanced stats were quite impressive last season. However, only 55 total points. $5.8AAV is a price that makes sense for both team and player.
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08-02-2022, 11:29 PM
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#115
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by keenan87
I bet many didn't predict that out of Gaudreau, Tkachuk, and Mangiapane - it would be Mangiapane who remains a Flame.
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He was trade bait until Johnny walked and Tkachuk was traded.
We did not have the money to sign him till now.
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08-02-2022, 11:30 PM
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#116
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phaneuf_Phan
Good deal. Note: $1.2M cap space left.
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Plus they have a few forwards presently counting who could be completely buried if they are sent down: Pelletier, Lewis, Bishop and Jones. And if Monahan is LTIR that’s a big piece as well.
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08-02-2022, 11:32 PM
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#118
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First Line Centre
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This is a great deal from the Flames standpoint, who often signs players a year or two too long for a million or two too much (see Gio, Backlund, Lucic - a byproduct of Neal, etc. The list goes on - Coleman's next)
Last edited by lazypucker; 08-02-2022 at 11:36 PM.
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08-02-2022, 11:41 PM
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#119
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by lazypucker
This is a great deal from the Flames standpoint, who often signs players a year or two too long for a million or two too much (see Gio, Backlund, Lucic - a byproduct of Neal, etc. The list goes on - Coleman's next)
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Disagree with Gio, he was pretty good throughout his contract with the Flames. The guy even won a norris. Expansion draft worked out well that it was his last year of his contract. Backlund, i'm also okay with given what he does for this team.
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08-02-2022, 11:46 PM
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#120
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Scoring Winger
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Ok deal. Needs to work on consistency and being able to score both away and home games.
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