08-01-2022, 11:03 AM
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#4201
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Sandman
Idk, I think the “idea” of Romanov is better than the real thing. Beyond Dobson and to a degree-Pulock, they don’t exactly have the prototypical modern-day swift, puck-rushing defense. I think they would like Valimaki and Kylington, but there’s not a lot on that roster we should be interested in that they would be willing to give up IMO.
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Lamoriello didn’t trade the 13th overall pick for a player they expect to play on the third pairing. They clearly think he’s a second-pairing guy.
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08-01-2022, 11:29 AM
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#4202
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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The Barzal talk is so annoying. He’s not being traded as it makes absolutely no sense for the Islanders. He’s one of their few top players that isn’t on the backside of his career. Lou simply isn’t as dumb of a GM as some of you seem to think he is.
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08-01-2022, 11:31 AM
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#4203
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
Lamoriello didn’t trade the 13th overall pick for a player they expect to play on the third pairing. They clearly think he’s a second-pairing guy.
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I have no doubt that he’ll play in their top-4. I guess we’ll see how well he does.
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08-01-2022, 11:35 AM
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#4204
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
The Barzal talk is so annoying. He’s not being traded as it makes absolutely no sense for the Islanders. He’s one of their few top players that isn’t on the backside of his career. Lou simply isn’t as dumb of a GM as some of you seem to think he is.
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You're probably right, but people said the exact same thing about Dougie Hamilton when he was a Bruin.
You never know what's going on behind the scenes, and Lou is notoriously secretive.
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08-01-2022, 11:37 AM
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#4205
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
You're probably right, but people said the exact same thing about Dougie Hamilton when he was a Bruin.
You never know what's going on behind the scenes, and Lou is notoriously secretive.
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He just fired the head coach for Barzal. That’s what went on behind the scenes. Same as the Bruins in that he fired the coach in hopes of retaining players not trading them.
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08-01-2022, 11:38 AM
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#4206
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
You're probably right, but people said the exact same thing about Dougie Hamilton when he was a Bruin.
You never know what's going on behind the scenes, and Lou is notoriously secretive.
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We just traded Tkachuk? Barzal is 25 and can resign this summer but hasn’t so I think the idea he could be traded is legit
If NYI doesn’t land Kadri they literally have done nothing this off season to get Barzal help. He might be interested in moving on rather than resigning
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08-01-2022, 11:44 AM
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#4207
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Some people are just totally unimaginative and thus get angry and confused when others display this confounding ability around them. EE for example would never have been able to u derstand the huby trade.
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08-01-2022, 11:49 AM
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#4208
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05
Why would anyone give anything of value for Valimaki?
They can get him for free in October. It would be a miracle for him to make the team as is.
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Even if he did hit waivers there is a priority list...so most teams can't get him for free
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08-01-2022, 11:53 AM
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#4209
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by Monahammer
Some people are just totally unimaginative and thus get angry and confused when others display this confounding ability around them. EE for example would never have been able to u derstand the huby trade.
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LOL you don’t think I could understand that to fit Tkachuk in that a high paid roster player or two had to go back? It’s straight up math. Sounds by your tone you are angry about my opinion. Look, I’m like a lot of posters that enter the thread periodically in hopes that a rumor nugget is unearthed. Instead it’s been polluted by a small handful of posters discussing their Barzal trade fantasy over and over like Treliving wants another big name player on an expiring contract when he’s already got a lot on his plate.
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08-01-2022, 11:57 AM
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#4210
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Franchise Player
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I don't see the Isles moving Barzal. As a separate issue, Lamoriello hasn't been a very good GM lately. Moving Toews and Leddy. Then realizing he has depleted his blueline, has to spend an asset to acquire Romanov
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08-01-2022, 12:01 PM
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#4211
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by Canada 02
I don't see the Isles moving Barzal. As a separate issue, Lamoriello hasn't been a very good GM lately. Moving Toews and Leddy. Then realizing he has depleted his blueline, has to spend an asset to acquire Romanov
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Hell, according to some here, not knowing his star player was gaslighting about extending was a fireable offence.
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08-01-2022, 12:02 PM
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#4212
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Hell, according to some here, not knowing his star player was gaslighting about extending was a fireable offence.
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Why you bringing Treliving into the discussion?
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08-01-2022, 12:39 PM
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#4213
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Farm Team Player
Join Date: Jan 2007
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Originally Posted by Macho0978
We just traded Tkachuk? Barzal is 25 and can resign this summer but hasn’t so I think the idea he could be traded is legit
If NYI doesn’t land Kadri they literally have done nothing this off season to get Barzal help. He might be interested in moving on rather than resigning
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Tkachuk didn't want to be here. I don't see the Islanders trading their number 1 center.
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08-01-2022, 12:39 PM
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#4214
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Pockets18
Tkachuk didn't want to be here.
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Maybe Barzal doesn't want to be there...
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08-01-2022, 12:43 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Cleveland, OH (Grew up in Calgary)
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Look, I like Barzal quite a bit. But there’s no way he’s being traded unless he wants out. The ask for him is gonna be steep anyways
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08-01-2022, 01:02 PM
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#4216
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
The Barzal talk is so annoying. He’s not being traded as it makes absolutely no sense for the Islanders. He’s one of their few top players that isn’t on the backside of his career. Lou simply isn’t as dumb of a GM as some of you seem to think he is.
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He traded Devon Toews, fired Barry Trotz, and forces his players to shave
Dumb might not be the right term but he shouldn’t be running an NHL team at 80 and has done dumber things than trading a 70 point center who’s asking for $$$
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08-01-2022, 01:32 PM
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#4217
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Why you bringing Treliving into the discussion?
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I am just analogizing. If that made Treliving a bad GM, then it makes Lou one as well.
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08-01-2022, 02:31 PM
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#4218
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Hell, according to some here, not knowing his star player was gaslighting about extending was a fireable offence.
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I don't think he should be fired for it, but he is definitely responsible for the way things played out.
I think of it as analogous to poker. If you think you have a good hand but also know that it is beatable, but still put all your chips in and lose, that's on you. It's probably fine if you are a very rich person and can recover from it quickly, but if you are poor and you make that gamble, you are a fool. The Flames are not an organization that should be gambling on franchise players.
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08-01-2022, 02:37 PM
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#4219
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Calgary
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What should Tre have done instead?
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08-01-2022, 02:46 PM
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#4220
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#1 Goaltender
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I think the poker analogy is a good one.
You have to play the odds, knowing that there will be times that it won’t go your way. But in the big picture you’ll win more than you lose.
I think Treliving felt the odds were in his favour, but the fairly low chance of loss got him. I would disagree he put all his chips in though.
So if you think you should fire a poker player who loses on a strong hand occasionally, then soon there won’t be any poker players left.
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