Huberdeau and Weegar Signing Discussion Thread

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by manwiches

If the guy had a good agent and good people in his circle, the choice is clear. However most don't, or are unable to handle the noise... Not to beat a dead horse, but we have a very clear example in recent past...

Our recent examples are quite unique.

Gaudreau’s dad had a heart attack. I wouldn’t wanna be halfway across the world in another country if my dad was in poor health either, no matter how much money was at stake. And even allowing for that, Gaudreau still overplayed his hand and cost himself money and his preferred destination.

Tkachuk is 24, and his dad is one of the most famous American born hockey players of all time. He was coordinating his exit when he signed his last deal.

Neither were going to settle in Canada after their careers ended.

Huberdeau lives in Quebec. He can make more money with less media scrutiny here than anywhere else. Certainly more than he would in Quebec.

It’s also not clear why Montreal would want to give a 30 year old Huberdeau Carey Price money 12 months after they drafted first overall.

I think we’re overthinking this. Maybe it’s best to let the people who are paid to worry about this worry about it, and celebrate when we hear good news.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Lol ask Brett Ritchie and Michael Stone how many choices do they have? They have been ‘free’ for a few years now.

Plenty of players have chosen smaller, colder climate markets for various reasons...not every player is the same

Its amazing that the Panthers have won ONE playoff round since the mid 90s since everyone wants to play there apparently


Zadorov just chose to play in Calgary when by all accounts he had offers of similar or even more money in other cities...my point is every single situation is different.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Lol ask Brett Ritchie and Michael Stone how many choices do they have? They have been ‘free’ for a few years now.

Well, those two are fringe players who are trying to ride this train for as long as they can.

Kind of a different situation.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Plenty of players have chosen smaller, colder climate markets for various reasons...not every player is the same

Its amazing that the Panthers have won ONE playoff round since the mid 90s since everyone wants to play there apparently


Zadorov just chose to play in Calgary when by all accounts he had offers of similar or even more money in other cities...my point is every single situation is different.

Very very few star UFA's elect to play in places like Calgary/Winnipeg/Edmonton. The rosters on teams are finite, so yeah you're always going to have a certain number of players "willing" to sign up here when our GM's are offering money.

[dino7c]

Calgary signed the top free agent goalie who was just voted #2 at his position in the entire league

like I said every player and situation is different...Markstom had some good friends on the team so lucky us. Canadians and Europeans are more likely to sign in Canada, that is fair.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Calgary signed the top free agent goalie who was just voted #2 at his position in the entire league

like I said every player and situation is different...Markstom had some good friends on the team so lucky us. Canadians and Europeans are more likely to sign in Canada, that is fair.

Yep, that is true that we do better with Europeans. And we should bias towards that because of it, imo.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Very very few star UFA's elect to play in places like Calgary/Winnipeg/Edmonton. The rosters on teams are finite, so yeah you're always going to have a certain number of players "willing" to sign up here when our GM's are offering money.

Very very few star UFA's elect to to change teams via UFA:

Gaudreau
Hamilton(*starpower* debatable)
Pietrangelo
Panarin
Bobrovsky
Tavares
...can't recall if there were any others going to Parise/Suter in 2012?


Bouwmeester came here in 2009. CGY has gotten its fair share of star UFAs. PHI and NYR are really the only teams that have gotten more than their fair share, and where has it gotten them?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Very very few star UFA's elect to to change teams via UFA:

Gaudreau
Hamilton(*starpower* debatable)
Pietrangelo
Panarin
Bobrovsky
Tavares
...can't recall if there were any others going to Parise/Suter in 2012?


Bouwmeester came here in 2009. CGY has gotten its fair share of star UFAs. PHI and NYR are really the only teams that have gotten more than their fair share, and where has it gotten them?

Technically not UFAs but I guess you’d probably include pending UFA stars or even others who forced a move one way or another, like Stone, Eichel, Tkachuk, etc.

[tvp2003]

I wonder how many players have “play in Canadian market” on their career bingo card and/or bucket list; I don’t doubt for a second that Gaudreau and Tkachuk both enjoyed their time here and the rabid support they received, but after 6-8 years they felt it was okay to move on having “done that”.

Originally Posted by dino7c

Zadorov just chose to play in Calgary when by all accounts he had offers of similar or even more money in other cities...my point is every single situation is different.

Funny you mention Zadorov — when he was interviewed by Brendan Parker he was in Florida. Not sure if that is where he lives in the off-season but I wouldn’t be surprised (humidity notwithstanding).

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Funny you mention Zadorov — when he was interviewed by Brendan Parker he was in Florida. Not sure if that is where he lives in the off-season but I wouldn’t be surprised (humidity notwithstanding).

Yes, that's where he lives and trains in the off-season.

Zadorov is currently training at his off-season home in south Florida. There, a number of NHLers - including Vladimir Tarasenko, Aaron Ekblad and Keith Yandle - are pushing each other to be better, in the gym on the ice.

https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/exci...ed/c-326004822

[Vinny01]

Huberdeau and Lindholm are now the core duo of the team they likely go all in on. I think they will likely close with Huberdeau at the final Johnny offer of $84M over 8 years and Lindholm could be looking for the same next summer when he can extend.

Weegar adding a straight up top 2/3 Dman to replace our lost 5/6 is where I can see the team being as good next year. I think Weegar is in the 6x6 range for a deal and will become our highest paid blueliner.

I still think there is an add at minimum to the top 9 but hopefully top 6. I really hope they lock these extensions in before the season. Still lots of work for Treliving left to do.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Technically not UFAs but I guess you’d probably include pending UFA stars or even others who forced a move one way or another, like Stone, Eichel, Tkachuk, etc.

Fair, though we don't always know who else was/wasn't on their lists. And we did just see Giroux (albeit over the hill) choose a crappy CAD market.

It's probably a bit of a chicken/egg thing with Canadian teams rarely being contenders, but I'd suggest the inability to sign UFAs or land UFA age players via trade (who would have NTCs) should be pretty low on the excuse list. Those moves tend to put your over the top - not just get you to the dance.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

I wonder how many players have “play in Canadian market” on their career bingo card and/or bucket list; I don’t doubt for a second that Gaudreau and Tkachuk both enjoyed their time here and the rabid support they received, but after 6-8 years they felt it was okay to move on having “done that”.



Funny you mention Zadorov — when he was interviewed by Brendan Parker he was in Florida. Not sure if that is where he lives in the off-season but I wouldn’t be surprised (humidity notwithstanding).

I already said guys get 3 months off to go wherever they want..that is a reason to NOT choose a hockey team to play for based on geography...if anything him being there proves my point. More NHLers spend their summers in Canada then anywhere else though....BC and Ontario cottage country is chalk full of them.

[Strange Brew]

Just don’t think I will ever buy the “woe is us” mindset for the team being in Calgary. UFA’s aren’t taking discounts to play in certain locations.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Fair, though we don't always know who else was/wasn't on their lists. And we did just see Giroux (albeit over the hill) choose a crappy CAD market.

It's probably a bit of a chicken/egg thing with Canadian teams rarely being contenders, but I'd suggest the inability to sign UFAs or land UFA age players via trade (who would have NTCs) should be pretty low on the excuse list. Those moves tend to put your over the top - not just get you to the dance.

Well, I know Florida, Winnipeg, Calgary and Vegas were all interested but he’d only talk to Vegas about an extension.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Just don’t think I will ever buy the “woe is us” mindset for the team being in Calgary. UFA’s aren’t taking discounts to play in certain locations.

No they don't take discounts to go to other locations, but they do mostly go to other locations.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by jayswin

No they don't take discounts to go to other locations, but they do mostly go to other locations.

They're likely to be taking discounts if they refuse to consider offers from the locations they don't like.

If you want to get the best price for your services, you have to let everybody bid.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by jayswin

No they don't take discounts to go to other locations, but they do mostly go to other locations.

Almost every team fanbase in the league could say this with accuracy.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Almost every team fanbase in the league could say this with accuracy.

Yep meanwhile we seem to be able to sign the UFA's that we target. Oftentimes they are big ticket players too.

Not 13 though, I get that. A lot of other teams couldn't sign him either.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Well, those two are fringe players who are trying to ride this train for as long as they can.

Kind of a different situation.

Yes but point is very few NHL players are actually free to choose where they play. Even UFAs have to have a match and only the very top players get their picks. Even then it depends on salary cap.