2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Monahan will never agree to be on the LTIR. Since he has a veto that seems unlikely.

Yeah Monahan needs to play this year and play well if he wants to get a contract in the NHL next season

[NewFan]

I think it would be nice if the Flames trade and fit a respected veteran player like Kopitar or Toews for short term just to bond these team and run for cup a couple times together.
This year the team will really try to win 3-2 games as we lost some scorers. And there are not many free agents left. So we need a good dependable C who can help shut down other team and help leadership guys to bond the players under Sutter.

[Imported_Aussie]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

My guess is the AAV is less than people thing and the total contract value is closer to $40M.

People thought it would be $7-8m for 7 years but I don't see it.

My guess is teams are offering.

$7-$7.5M for 4 years: $35M-$38M total

or

$5.5M-$6M for 7 years: $38.5M - $42M total

I can see based on your idea of numbers why this is taking so long. He probably overvalues himself, especially as a 31 year old Palat got 30M over 5 years as a winger. These numbers are closer to where he should be, either add more years to get cap hit around that 6M, or a very short term deal, where he bets on himself and a rising cap to get some money after. If I'm Kadri in all about term as even after a 2-3 year deal he's probably losing a lot of earning power

[#-3]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Odds to sign Nazem Kadri



Not sure where they got that number from. Capfriendly says $9,300,000, and we still need to sign Mangiapane and Kylington.

Actually... come to think of it... how are we supposed to be able to afford Kadri in the first place (re: all the "rumours")?

It depends a lot on what Mang/Kyl sign for and what the Flames are planning for LTIR and Day 1 Cap compliance.

If they Sign the two RFAs for $8M total, and expect Tanev / Monahan to miss a little bit of time at the start. They could assign the 4 Dmen to the Heat for compliance (Valimaki, Meloche, Mackey, Gilbert), They would be carrying 19 players $77.025M in salary, space for 1 body at $5.475M,

Then they could make the LTIR assignments, with roster space for 5 bodies and $16.35 in cap space until those two returned.

I think to get Kadri, they need to move at least 1 body $3.5M+ out ($9M for Kadri + the guy who replaces whoever you move out). But they certainly have space to add a top 6 winger, especially if you are going to fleece a team that can't get Cap Compliant, trading someone like Valimaki for a proven top 6 guy on a decent contract. (if they go after Kadri, we are probably that team trading a guy like Coleman or Toffoli away for a prospect on his last leg).

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

What I meant is (a) if 62 points leads your team, your team isn’t good and (b) your team leader isn’t that impressive.

Barzal was outpointed by the team point leaders of Arizona and Detroit.

Iginla led the Flames with 67 points one year.

Was he "not impressive" either?

Point totals often are as much about the team make up as they are about individual skill sets.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by NewFan

I think it would be nice if the Flames trade and fit a respected veteran player like Kopitar or Toews for short term just to bond these team and run for cup a couple times together.
This year the team will really try to win 3-2 games as we lost some scorers. And there are not many free agents left. So we need a good dependable C who can help shut down other team and help leadership guys to bond the players under Sutter.

Since each would need likely a 50% retention, neither would come cheaply.

Even Toews, who played better in the 2nd half last year after missing a season due to Covid or whatever, would likely bring in a first round pick at the trade deadline if he continues to look fairly good. He would certainly be a nice add to the Flames for a playoff run.

I doubt Kopitar gets moved at all.

[Enoch Root]

Toews would be expensive, I agree. And for the price he would cost, I think there will be much better options.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by #-3

It depends a lot on what Mang/Kyl sign for and what the Flames are planning for LTIR and Day 1 Cap compliance.

If they Sign the two RFAs for $8M total, and expect Tanev / Monahan to miss a little bit of time at the start. They could assign the 4 Dmen to the Heat for compliance (Valimaki, Meloche, Mackey, Gilbert), They would be carrying 19 players $77.025M in salary, space for 1 body at $5.475M,

Then they could make the LTIR assignments, with roster space for 5 bodies and $16.35 in cap space until those two returned.

I think to get Kadri, they need to move at least 1 body $3.5M+ out ($9M for Kadri + the guy who replaces whoever you move out). But they certainly have space to add a top 6 winger, especially if you are going to fleece a team that can't get Cap Compliant, trading someone like Valimaki for a proven top 6 guy on a decent contract. (if they go after Kadri, we are probably that team trading a guy like Coleman or Toffoli away for a prospect on his last leg).

Valimaki and Mackey would need to pass through waivers. Meloche?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Toews would be expensive, I agree. And for the price he would cost, I think there will be much better options.

Depends on the demand and how well he is playing I guess. And whether he would want to come to Calgary too. I expect that the only way it would happen would be if he specifically said "Calgary was the place he wanted to go to". I expect Chicago would accommodate him and it would presumably lower the price.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Yeah Monahan needs to play this year and play well if he wants to get a contract in the NHL next season

It’s not really his choice to be on ltir. If his surgery doesn’t fix his issue then rest may be the key and that could be a LTIR situation

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by rhino

It’s not really his choice to be on ltir. If his surgery doesn’t fix his issue then rest may be the key and that could be a LTIR situation

Sure, if he absolutely cannot play hockey he would probably agree to go on LTIR. If he has any ability to play hockey he will not go on LTIR. Lots of hockey players play through injuries.

LTIR is for either very old players who are not planning on playing hockey after the end of their current contract or legitimately injuries players like Marc Savard and Nathan Horton. It generally is not used by 28 year old players who have had two consecutive down years and are looking for a bounce back year to get another contract who have nagging injuries but can play through them. This is largely because a year on the LTIR ensures that that type of player at best gets a PTO next fall as opposed to potentially signing a good contract if they have a bounce back season.

[OptimalTates]

LTIR is used probably hundreds of time throughout the season. It's not just for people who will never play again.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Iginla led the Flames with 67 points one year.

Was he "not impressive" either?

Point totals often are as much about the team make up as they are about individual skill sets.

Yeah. A playmaking center with no wingers to make plays for while also playing under Trotz. I wouldn't base my opinion Barzal based on his points but rather his, you know, play.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

LTIR is used probably hundreds of time throughout the season. It's not just for people who will never play again.

Sure, and maybe Monahan is on there for 10 games. But the minute he can play he will be off the LTIR. With a guy like Monahan you might save 900K in cap space but you won’t hide his entire cap hit like the Oilers will with Mike Smith.

[OptimalTates]

Monahan doesn't have a choice. If he's not cleared to play they can put him on. If they don't have room to remove him, they can keep him on. Them the rules.

[Freddy]

As has been discussed we are still looking to fill holes on forward and while big (expensive) names are what we want I don’t see it fitting within the cap unless contracts are moved out. The free agent that has yet to be unsigned that I’m keeping an eye on is Tyler Motte. Living in Vancouver, I was impressed with his work for the Canucks and then I thought he was noticeable for the Rangers recent playoff run. As an armchair GM he’s who I think is the best bang for our remaining bucks to fill a versatile forward role.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Freddy

As has been discussed we are still looking to fill holes on forward and while big (expensive) names are what we want I don’t see it fitting within the cap unless contracts are moved out. The free agent that has yet to be unsigned that I’m keeping an eye on is Tyler Motte. Living in Vancouver, I was impressed with his work for the Canucks and then I thought he was noticeable for the Rangers recent playoff run. As an armchair GM he’s who I think is the best bang for our remaining bucks to fill a versatile forward role.

Accomplished the same as Ritchie in the playoffs.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

Accomplished the same as Ritchie in the playoffs.

Ritchie and Motte are not the same type of players, they both are speedy 4th liners, but while Ritchie was big and physically intimidating Motte is cerebral (great PKer) and has more offence to give. I think Motte would execute details better and be less likely to take unnecessary penalties.

[Freddy]

I wouldn’t hate Ritchie brought back either if the team doctors weren’t worried about his concussion history.

[FlamesAddiction]

I am not sure if it was mentioned yet, but the Rangers signed Kakko (2 years - $2.1 million AAV).

So you can probably take him out of the trade proposal and offer sheet scenarios.