[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[bax]

Huberdeau is an elite playmaking winger- one of the very best in the NHL. We can nitpick his microstats and critique his skating or whatever, but bottom line he is the same tier of player as Gaudreau and Tkachuk. Sutter will help his defensive game.

Closest thing we could have ever hoped for as far as a Gaudreau replacement is concerned. I still can’t really believe it.

Weegar is a bonafide top pairing defenseman. He instantly elevates our D to one of the best in the league and allows Sutter to spread around the minutes. When Tanev went down last season we didn’t really have an answer. We’re much better on the backend now.

Now, they still need another top 6 forward to replace Tkachuk, but if they can find someone who does 50% of what Tkachuk did you can make the argument the Flames will actually be better than they were last year. If you would have told me that would be remotely possible after losing Gaudreau and Tkachuk I would have laughed in your face.

I know the Kadri contract will likely be an anchor in a few years, but so be it. The Flames are all in now so I say get it done. Come to think of it, Kadri might be the closest thing in the league to Tkachuk- like a Tkachuk lite that plays center.

[Hot_Flatus]

I think the answer is flipping Kylington for a forward that can contribute in the top 6.

I'm not sure he can get that done alone, but maybe a dube/kylington package can land a solid, proven player that can provide at least some of Tkachuk's offense that has been lost.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Some people are very committed to their vocal opinions that the team is a disaster, it’s BTs fault and we’re doomed for infinite failure. They’d rather be right about that then actually enjoy the fact we got amazing return for Chucky, Huberdeau’s skating is just collateral damage in that thought process.

It’s almost as if they’re commentators on the NHL radio network or something…..
I’ve been listening for the past couple of days.
It’s been a lot of:
- Columbus / Florida are much better than before
- Calgary hasn’t accomplished anything, now they have 2 more UFA’s to address
- This morning there was even a brief discussion about how the departing players are “skirting the issue” as to “what the real reason” was for leaving Calgary.

Anyone else notice this?
It irritates me.

Perhaps I’m too sensitive/sick of the bias.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

It’s weird seeing people bashing Hubredeau’s skating in this thread. The dude’s an elite playmaker, who cares if he isn’t super fast? He obviously makes up for it with his hands/IQ/vision. Similar to how Tkachuk does, although Hubby is definitely the better skater of the two

Since he entered the league as a 19 year old, only Ovechkin and Marchand have more offensive production among LW's.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Since he entered the league as a 19 year old, only Ovechkin and Marchand have more offensive production among LW's.

And if you look at more recent history he's 1st among LWs in points over the last 4 seasons.

346 points and 1.21 points per game.

Looking at all players he's 4th in points the last 4 seasons - behind only the Oilers Wonder Twins, and Kane.

Offensively he's elite and a top 5 offensive forward in the game. Hopefully Sutter can make up for some of the defensive deficiencies like they did with Gaudreau.

[JackIsBack]

Unless I'm missing something or don't have the complete contract information on the trade, which is totally possible, the 2025 pick is top 16 protected, meaning if it's a lottery pick at all we get their 2026 pick instead. I'm not sure why teams do this as if they don't make the playoffs in the 2024/2025 and then miss even worse or lucky enough to move up in the 2026 draft, we could get a better pick then we would have received in 2025 because 2026 has no protection.


"*Conditions: If the 2025 1st RD pick that Florida sent to Calgary is a lottery pick resulting in Calgary receiving Florida's 2026 1st RD pick instead, then the 2025 4th RD pick that Calgary sent to Florida also slides to 2026."

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

It’s almost as if they’re commentators on the NHL radio network or something…..
I’ve been listening for the past couple of days.
It’s been a lot of:
- Columbus / Florida are much better than before
- Calgary hasn’t accomplished anything, now they have 2 more UFA’s to address
- This morning there was even a brief discussion about how the departing players are “skirting the issue” as to “what the real reason” was for leaving Calgary.

Anyone else notice this?
It irritates me.

Perhaps I’m too sensitive/sick of the bias.

I just think that's due to people outside of Calgary simply not understanding the situation for both players. From afar I suppose you could surmise that something stinks in Calgary for these players to leave but the reality is that Guadreau would likely have signed with the Flames had COVID not reared its head making it a difficult proposition for the families to visit their soon to be new grandchild. The writing was always on the wall for Tkachuk and it's surprising that even an outsider wouldn't pick up on it. If anyone hasn't noticed he ensured he was the fastest of the top players drafted that year to reach free agency which was by design since the moment his name was called on draft day.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

He was 2nd in the NHL in points last year, so I wager something good must have been happening.

Imagine if he didn't "skate in mud"!

[shutout]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

Unless I'm missing something or don't have the complete contract information on the trade, which is totally possible, the 2025 pick is top 16 protected, meaning if it's a lottery pick at all we get their 2026 pick instead. I'm not sure why teams do this as if they don't make the playoffs in the 2024/2025 and then miss even worse or lucky enough to move up in the 2026 draft, we could get a better pick then we would have received in 2025 because 2026 has no protection.


"*Conditions: If the 2025 1st RD pick that Florida sent to Calgary is a lottery pick resulting in Calgary receiving Florida's 2026 1st RD pick instead, then the 2025 4th RD pick that Calgary sent to Florida also slides to 2026."

Only the bottom 10 teams are now eligible for the lottery.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by bax

Huberdeau is an elite playmaking winger- one of the very best in the NHL. We can nitpick his microstats and critique his skating or whatever, but bottom line he is the same tier of player as Gaudreau and Tkachuk. Sutter will help his defensive game.

Closest thing we could have ever hoped for as far as a Gaudreau replacement is concerned. I still can’t really believe it.

Weegar is a bonafide top pairing defenseman. He instantly elevates our D to one of the best in the league and allows Sutter to spread around the minutes. When Tanev went down last season we didn’t really have an answer. We’re much better on the backend now.

Now, they still need another top 6 forward to replace Tkachuk, but if they can find someone who does 50% of what Tkachuk did you can make the argument the Flames will actually be better than they were last year. If you would have told me that would be remotely possible after losing Gaudreau and Tkachuk I would have laughed in your face.

I know the Kadri contract will likely be an anchor in a few years, but so be it. The Flames are all in now so I say get it done. Come to think of it, Kadri might be the closest thing in the league to Tkachuk- like a Tkachuk lite that plays center.

If the Flames get Kadri they are much better imo because they dramatically improved in positions that matter. Lindholm Kadri Backlund is the best center group we’ve had in a long time. Weegar is a big upgrade in our top 4 on d. Another premium position.

We are worse on wing but mangiapane gets a bump we have spots for Pelletier now. I get Pelletier isn’t a star prospect but what if he is an impact rookie? It happens every year and he’s going to get a chance. If he is this team is a cup contender with Kadri.

[JackIsBack]

Originally Posted by shutout

Only the bottom 10 teams are now eligible for the lottery.

Oh...ok, so that changed... Thanks.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

Oh...ok, so that changed... Thanks.

I thought it was you can only move up 10 spots?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

And if you look at more recent history he's 1st among LWs in points over the last 4 seasons.

346 points and 1.21 points per game.

Looking at all players he's 4th in points the last 4 seasons - behind only the Oilers Wonder Twins, and Kane.

Offensively he's elite and a top 5 offensive forward in the game. Hopefully Sutter can make up for some of the defensive deficiencies like they did with Gaudreau.

Instead of looking at one time frame, let's look at all of them. Here is where Huberdeau ranks (and Gaudreau), for the last 5,4,3,2 and 1 years:

5 years: 7th (8th)
4 years: 4th (10th)
3 years: 3rd (10th)
2 years: 3rd (5th)
1 year: 3rd (2nd)

No question that he is one of the top 5 offensive players in the league (ahead of Gaudreau) over the last 5 years.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

Unless I'm missing something or don't have the complete contract information on the trade, which is totally possible, the 2025 pick is top 16 protected, meaning if it's a lottery pick at all we get their 2026 pick instead. I'm not sure why teams do this as if they don't make the playoffs in the 2024/2025 and then miss even worse or lucky enough to move up in the 2026 draft, we could get a better pick then we would have received in 2025 because 2026 has no protection.


"*Conditions: If the 2025 1st RD pick that Florida sent to Calgary is a lottery pick resulting in Calgary receiving Florida's 2026 1st RD pick instead, then the 2025 4th RD pick that Calgary sent to Florida also slides to 2026."

I think the team trading the pick has the option of sliding it if they want. So, presumably if the lottery win wasn't particularly high, they might let the Flames keep it instead of risking disaster the next year.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I thought it was you can only move up 10 spots?

Yes, every team that missed the playoffs is in the lottery, but a team can only move up a maximum of 10 spots if they win.

Of course, these were the rules in 2022, who knows what they'll be in 2025?



That's why saying a traded pick is "lottery protected" is such a meaningless term -- or I guess, it could have multiple meanings, so it's tough to know. It makes more sense for them to say "top 3", "top 5", "top 10" protected.

According to what Treliving said on the radio on Saturday, the pick in this case is top 10 protected. Also, the Flyers' rights to Florida's 2024 first rounder are top 10 protected, which could impact the 2025 pick. Basically, if Florida's pick in either 2024 or 2025 is a top 10 pick, the Flames will get their 2026 first rounder. If neither 2024 or 2025 is top 10, the Flames will get Florida's 2025 first.

[N-E-B]

It’s been 4 days and I still can’t believe this trade is real.

[TheIronMaiden]

This will be the newest looking roster since 2014/15.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

This will be the newest looking roster since 2014/15.

Find a way to trade Monahan and Backlund, and the "core" has been pretty much cleaned out.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Find a way to trade Monahan and Backlund, and the "core" has been pretty much cleaned out.

Pretty decent chance Monahan will be on the roster in name only on day one - LTIR is pretty likely.

[sureLoss]

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