Huberdeau and Weegar Signing Discussion Thread

[djsFlames]

Phil Kessel could probably be had for ~1.5 mil.

Still would like to take a flier on Milano....

Instead Brad threw money at guys like Rooney. What's he going to do here.

Also plenty of opportunity for through the trade route. You have an extra 1st and Valimki that can be swapped for scoring help and make us no weaker.

Rodriguez is another idea. All better ideas than standing pat with an unbalanced roster. Unless we're secretly going to rebuild route.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Monny will need to prove himself healthy, if he does, he can be moved up accordingly. But he no longer gets any benefit of the doubt.

I am fine with that, but Lucic is no longer a NHL player. If there is a god he will retire, or waive his NMC so he can stay in Calgary and collect his salary in the minors and let the Flames have some replacement player and a small amount of cap relief.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Start Monahan between Dube and Pelletier. They shouldn’t just start him off with scrubs.

Yeah, Monahan, while injured, was often paired with guys who just didn’t mesh and had bad possession metrics (compared to his time with other guys).

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Monahan is tough to slot. If he bounces back a bit, then he should have better players such as Toffoli/Dube/Pelletier as wingers. If he is still broken, it would be hard for him to play on the 4th line with Lucic and Lewis. They would probably be better off with Lewis between Lucic and Duerr or one of the new guys (Rooney)

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Phil Kessel could probably be had for ~1.5 mil.

Still would like to take a flier on Milano....

Instead Brad threw money at guys like Rooney. What's he going to do here.

Also plenty of opportunity for through the trade route. You have an extra 1st and Valimki that can be swapped for scoring help and make us no weaker.

Rooney and that big dman he signed make a bit of sense if looch isn't hear. Otherwise ya I don't get it

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Parallex

You either fill it internally (Promote Dube to the Backlund line, backfill the Toffoli line with Pelletier). Or we can try to move out inefficient cap money (Lucic/Monahan) and fill it with a guy like Evan Rodrigues.

Or keep Monahan on LTI until cap space magically appears (he is currently on LTI, and the precedent has clearly been set by Las Vegas and Tampa Bay). Just have to use up his cap space before he is fit to return.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by SebC

If we're leading the division there is nothing wrong with a "self-rental". I don't see either of these guys getting flipped unless we're out of it at the deadline, which I don't expect we will be.

That would be the worst scenario. Huge risk of losing them for nothing just like Johnny. The only way fans wouldn't revolt is with a cup win then.

No way this happens. That would mean we traded Tkachuk for a 1st in 2025 and a prospect.

These two have to be signed or dealt for good futures. We're either still in the window of competing or it's re-build time.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

Or keep Monahan on LTI until cap space magically appears (he is currently on LTI, and the precedent has clearly been set by Las Vegas and Tampa Bay). Just have to use up his cap space before he is fit to return.

Players can only be placed on LTIR with their consent. I doubt Monahan consents to that, it basically guarantees that this is his last contract.

[Toonage]

^ They would also have to prove to the NHL that he is incapable of playing (ie: fails a physical). Thats unlikely in this scenario given he's rehabbing his surgery and is said to be doing well.

[AFireInside]

I would really love Huberdeau to take no. 13...

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Rooney and that big dman he signed make a bit of sense if looch isn't hear. Otherwise ya I don't get it

If only Brad placed as much importance on scoring as he does on having low skill ogres and half a dozen replacement level warm bodies. Throwing money at that #### adds up. It's better spent on positions that bring some impact.

If you're ever short on bodies, use the goddamn farm. I feel like I vent this every summer. But we actually have great players down there that can logistically slot in very easily now so why spend your dough on journeymen.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

For sure. But his recent performance can’t go downhill between now and October.

He has plenty of time

But if there is no traction on negotiations he could definitely be moved again. Maybe somewhere better, maybe somewhere worse, but highly unlikely anywhere that is more desperate than CGY to give him a big contract without seeing him play in their sweater.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by iggyloob12

Swap Monahan and Lewis. I still think they could use another middle-six forward.

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Mangiapane
Pelletier - Backlund - Coleman
Dube - Ruzicka - Toffoli
Lucic - Monahan - Lewis

We need a top 6 RW, preferably one with speed.

Pelletier is good but not good enough for second line duty. He should slot on nicely on the third line.

Maybe we could package Dube and Valamaki and a pick for Konecny.

Huberdeau-Lindholm-Konecny
Mangiapane-Backlund-Coleman
Pelletier-Ruzicka-Toffoli
Lucic-Rooney-Lewis

Hanifin-Anderson
Kylington-Tanev
Zadarov-Weeger

Markstrom
Vladar.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

If only Brad placed as much importance on scoring as he does on having low skill ogres and half a dozen replacement level warm bodies. Throwing money at that #### adds up. It's better spent on positions that bring some impact.

If you're ever short on bodies, use the goddamn farm. I feel like I vent this every summer. But we actually have great players down there that can logistically slot in very easily now so why spend your dough on journeymen.

Oh I agree. I think it's really a waste that the guts on the farm rarely even get a cup of coffee. Maybe now that the ahl team will be in Calgary we will see a difference.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I am fine with that, but Lucic is no longer a NHL player. If there is a god he will retire, or waive his NMC so he can stay in Calgary and collect his salary in the minors and let the Flames have some replacement player and a small amount of cap relief.

As much as his skating is lumbering, the guy was very consistent in the playoffs. Even dare I say, one of the better players through effort and smarts. This team is neither here nor there, despite the no rebuild messaging squeaking through between the lines. While I’m all for getting rid of him through buyout or trade, I do wonder what the purpose is at this point? Dealing means you give up valuable assets in picks. Buyout is ownership dollars where he’s not a main problem. I say for this year just suck it up and keep him. Going forward in todays NHL every single player has to have the ability to skate. Having him on the roster prevents that identity slightly, as he’s the slowest, but others like Toffoli are in the same boat. In a year where I don’t have much confidence anyway, I don’t mind having him around as he’s smarter than most guys and plays hard.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by chedder

That would be the worst scenario. Huge risk of losing them for nothing just like Johnny. The only way fans wouldn't revolt is with a cup win then.

No way this happens. That would mean we traded Tkachuk for a 1st in 2025 and a prospect.

These two have to be signed or dealt for good futures. We're either still in the window of competing or it's re-build time.

Agreed.

To have another 100+ point player leave (using Huberdeau and Gaudreau's last season) for nothing would be a disaster unless they won a Cup...which is a pretty tough ask with this lineup as it is currently IMO.

if JH isn't signing, its imperative to get assets for him before the trade deadline

Especially for an organization that doesn't believe in rebuilds.

[powderjunkie]

If Monahan is fully ready to go, he will be far better served by doing the full training camp.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I think to start the year, Toffoli will get a look on the top line, leaving a potential Pelletier-Ruzicka-Dube third line. Not ideal, but they could be sheltered.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Oh I agree. I think it's really a waste that the guts on the farm rarely even get a cup of coffee. Maybe now that the ahl team will be in Calgary we will see a difference.

Maybe.

For me Rooney would be a first week of October signing if the farm kids didn't put up a good camp. Not something you do in the first few days of FA when you have bigger issues to address.

Their fixation with replacement level fodder just mystifies me.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Phil Kessel could probably be had for ~1.5 mil.

Still would like to take a flier on Milano....

Instead Brad threw money at guys like Rooney. What's he going to do here.

Also plenty of opportunity for through the trade route. You have an extra 1st and Valimki that can be swapped for scoring help and make us no weaker.

Rodriguez is another idea. All better ideas than standing pat with an unbalanced roster. Unless we're secretly going to rebuild route.

Phil going to any team for $1.5M? I doubt it personally. I’d be surprised if he goes for anything under $5.5M to anyone.