Huberdeau and Weegar Signing Discussion Thread - Page 12 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

The Cobra · 07-25-2022, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fleury

I strongly believe Huberdeau is a stronger player than Tkachuk today, in the sense he’s a more naturally gifted scorer. And by the same token he’s on par with Johnny, if not slightly better. Having said that, what does a contract look like for him at different tenures?
5 years - $10M/season
6 years - $9.8M/season
7 years - $9.5M/season
8 years - $9.3M/season

I really think they shouldn’t go beyond 6 years for Huberdeau, even if they have to pay him a little more money near term. They’re not in the drivers seat here considering they are a desperate bride at the moment. I think it’ll be a quick signing at 8 years within the next two weeks.

I think we are dreaming if we think he'll look for anything other than an 8 year contract.

Aarongavey · 07-25-2022, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SebC

If we're leading the division there is nothing wrong with a "self-rental". I don't see either of these guys getting flipped unless we're out of it at the deadline, which I don't expect we will be.

Can you imagine a self-rental and then the same result as this year. That would be just an absolute nightmare. I agree with you there is no way these guys are traded at the deadline because I suspect Sutter can get this lineup in a legitimate position to think that they could beat Edmonton and Colorado in the playoffs.

Vinny01 · 07-25-2022, 03:15 PM

I think there is a good chance both sign and do so this summer. When I saw the Walsh tweet that Huby was open to staying here I found that to be a good sign. End of the day I could see it being the deal that Johnny said no to at the end of the day. Coming off career years it makes sense to get that big 8 year deal while the iron is hot. The Flames want no part of this to be a storyline next year so I think they want deals done ASAP.

If both guys sign extensions it will go down as a hell of a trade. I just want to avoid the team being comfortably in a playoff spot but no extensions signed at the deadline next year.

Parallex · 07-25-2022, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Not sure I like Toffoli and Coleman as the 1-2 on the right side.

I'm just assuming that Mangiapane will go in that slot on the top line. That's what makes the most sense to me. Huberdeau's not known for being great defensively so put him with a couple of guys who are and who can also really shoot the puck to take advantage of Huberdeau's playmaking prowess.

I don't really like Toffoli on Backlunds line either so I'd put him on line 3 with some combination of Dube/Pelletier/Ruzicka/Monahan.

Speaking of Backlund... just give him the "C" already.

GioforPM · 07-25-2022, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Parallex

I'm just assuming that Mangiapane will go in that slot on the top line. That's what makes the most sense to me. Huberdeau's not known for being great defensively so put him with a couple of guys who are and who can also really shoot the puck to take advantage of Huberdeau's playmaking prowess.

I don't really like Toffoli on Backlunds line either so I'd put him on line 3 with some combination of Dube/Pelletier/Ruzicka/Monahan.

Toffoli is very good defensively. Or Coleman. One is slow and one is fast though, however you see the mix on that line working. Some people like to have a fast guy on the line of others are slow, some think players who play at a similar pace are better.

Of course, any combo will have Lindy, who is great defensively.

djsFlames · 07-25-2022, 03:23 PM

Still need a winger.

If you move Mangi to the 1RW then you don't have a 2LW that's well suited for the second line.

In terms of lines things are a bit off balance and Brad will need to address that somehow.

PepsiFree · 07-25-2022, 03:23 PM

RW doesn’t concern me too much since Huberdeau/Lindholm has the makings of an incredible LW/C combo. But I think Mangiapane or Monahan could work really well there.

Maybe it would be better for Monahan overall to move to RW on a permanent basis, if he comes back healthy.

GioforPM · 07-25-2022, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Still need a winger.

If you move Mangi to the 1RW then you don't have a 2LW that's well suited for the second line.

In terms of lines things are a bit off balance and Brad will need to address that somehow.

Pelletier

mile · 07-25-2022, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Parallex

I'm just assuming that Mangiapane will go in that slot on the top line. That's what makes the most sense to me. Huberdeau's not known for being great defensively so put him with a couple of guys who are and who can also really shoot the puck to take advantage of Huberdeau's playmaking prowess.

I don't really like Toffoli on Backlunds line either so I'd put him on line 3 with some combination of Dube/Pelletier/Ruzicka/Monahan.

Speaking of Backlund... just give him the "C" already.

Mangiapane on his off-wing would be my first choice right now too. Would give Huberdeau a 40-goal scorer and a 35-goal scorer to work with.

Pelletier plays a similar style to Mangiapane, I think he'll fit in on a line with Backlund and Coleman.

Bigger priority is adding another C to replace (or compete) with Monahan and Ruzicka to form another scoring line with Toffoli and Dube.

Moneyhands23 · 07-25-2022, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Pelletier

I want him playing with backlund and Coleman so why not. Doubtful we get a better 2nd line C this season.

djsFlames · 07-25-2022, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Pelletier

Maybe. But any wise GM won't put all his eggs in JP's basket, who is yet NHL unproven.

I would love to see that work though.

djsFlames · 07-25-2022, 03:29 PM

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Mangiapane
Pelletier - Backlund - Coleman
Dube - Ruzicka - Toffoli
Lucic - Lewis - Monahan

At least it makes some sense.

GreenLantern2814 · 07-25-2022, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Parallex

I'm just assuming that Mangiapane will go in that slot on the top line. That's what makes the most sense to me. Huberdeau's not known for being great defensively so put him with a couple of guys who are and who can also really shoot the puck to take advantage of Huberdeau's playmaking prowess.

I don't really like Toffoli on Backlunds line either so I'd put him on line 3 with some combination of Dube/Pelletier/Ruzicka/Monahan.

Speaking of Backlund... just give him the "C" already.

My optimistic guess is Pelletier makes the team out of camp, and by Christmas has established himself in a top-6 role.

I would also guess that Matthew Phillips is never going to have a better chance to make the NHL than he will this TC.

I’m down for Backs having the C. He’s earned it.

Aarongavey · 07-25-2022, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Mangiapane
Pelletier - Backlund - Coleman
Dube - Ruzicka - Toffoli
Lucic - Lewis - Monahan

At least it makes some sense.

That 4th line is gross. Might as well buyout Monahan if you are going to play him with those guys and expect and sort of resurgence.

iggyloob12 · 07-25-2022, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Mangiapane
Pelletier - Backlund - Coleman
Dube - Ruzicka - Toffoli
Lucic - Lewis - Monahan

At least it makes some sense.

Swap Monahan and Lewis. I still think they could use another middle-six forward.

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Mangiapane
Pelletier - Backlund - Coleman
Dube - Ruzicka - Toffoli
Lucic - Monahan - Lewis

djsFlames · 07-25-2022, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

That 4th line is gross. Might as well buyout Monahan if you are going to play him with those guys and expect and sort of resurgence.

Maybe a 3rd line of

Pelletier - Monahan - Toffoli

Have to keep in mind he's coming back as humpty dumpy if all the king's men had managed to put him to back together again.

The Cobra · 07-25-2022, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

That 4th line is gross. Might as well buyout Monahan if you are going to play him with those guys and expect and sort of resurgence.

Monny will need to prove himself healthy, if he does, he can be moved up accordingly. But he no longer gets any benefit of the doubt.

bluejays · 07-25-2022, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If they won’t sign him for 8 years somebody else will. I suspect it takes a bit more than 9.3 to sign him to a 8 year deal.

Yeah. I think the same thing sadly. He’s a good player to have for a solid four years as he creates his own plays. Having said this, the likelihood is after 34 or so most players decline sharply, then you have $10M contract on hand for another 3 or 4 more seasons. I’ve said it a million times that those 8 year contracts don’t work unless you’re the elite athlete and even then it’s very risky. For that reason while I’d like to see him on the Flames I would consider a deal for sure. Or the hope would be after a couple seasons he’s dealt too. Either way I’d hope his tenure isn’t beyond two years to maximize his return value.

GreenLantern2814 · 07-25-2022, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

That 4th line is gross. Might as well buyout Monahan if you are going to play him with those guys and expect and sort of resurgence.

Start Monahan between Dube and Pelletier. They shouldn’t just start him off with scrubs.

Parallex · 07-25-2022, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Still need a winger.

If you move Mangi to the 1RW then you don't have a 2LW that's well suited for the second line.

You either fill it internally (Promote Dube to the Backlund line, backfill the Toffoli line with Pelletier). Or we can try to move out inefficient cap money (Lucic/Monahan) and fill it with a guy like Evan Rodrigues.