[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[bdubbs]

RE: Huberdeau's skating...

In one 5 minute highlight video, Huberdeau has more breakaway type goals than Tkachuk has ever had in his entire time in Calgary. In fact, many times I've seen Tkachuk get a puck while in a position to be on a breakaway, and end up losing that breakaway chance because he is just that slow.

To say that they're similar or that Tkachuk is faster is just patently false.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Um...I've seen both...lots.

I don't want to throw you under the bus, but you're wrong about Huberdeau's skating. Not a speedster, but plenty fast enough. Tkachuk has cement in his boots.

All good but I just disagree then. Tkachuck may have cement in his boots but I'll counter and say Huberdeau skates in mud lol. A lot of movement but nothing happens. I haven't seen this "plenty fast enough" from him, he certainly doesn't blow by anyone (obviously neither does Tkachuck).

[blankall]

Originally Posted by timbit

Weegar is NOT a small Dman .

He is 20+ pounds bigger than Kylington and plays an aggressive and physical game.

Weeger is a solid physical presence. Regularly fights:

https://www.hockeyfights.com/players/16669

Also 2nd on the team (behind Gudas) in hits:

https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/FLA/index.html

That would put him only a handful of hits behind Zadarov, who was 2nd on the Flames last year.

[CaptainYooh]

Is this for real? If yes, hilarious.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1551604069353095168

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Seems like I'm the only one who has watched both. Neither is a good skater and whether people think one is slightly better than the other is semantics, it's a wash pretty much in the end.

You guys are in for a surprise if you think Huberdeau is a good skater. He's never been explosive or fast. I'm not sure why anyone would even claim that.

Dude, I am 100% with you, I think people will also be in for a surprise. After watching Huberdeau for a bit myself, I was actually shocked at how poor his skating was. His skating is different from Tkachuk in that he probably has slightly better separation speed, but Matthew has stronger edgework and shields the puck well, so he has that over Huberdeau I think.

Huberdeau’s skating definitely appears to be his greatest deficiency as it may hamper his ability to play at the pace Darryl Sutter requests. It’s going to be interesting to see how his checking game and rush game will translate with his new team.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Explosive and fast are not what makes someone a good hockey player, or even a good skater. It just makes them fast. Matt Lombardi was fast. Rico Fata was SO fast.

How fast is Bergeron? Marchand? Draisaitl? Matthews? Zibanejad? Barkov? Sid? O’Reilly?

Whatever Huberdeau’s limitations, they haven’t stopped him from being incredibly effective his entire career.

Speed is one of the most overrated skills there is. It’s pointless if a player skates faster than they think out the play or handle the puck well enough to make a good pass or accurate shot. Give me a slower player that takes time to make plays and keep possession over a speedster. Very few players can do both.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Speed is one of the most overrated skills there is. It’s pointless if a player skates faster than they think out the play or handle the puck well enough to make a good pass or accurate shot. Give me a slower player that takes time to make plays and keep possession over a speedster. Very few players can do both.

I agree, David Perron is a good example.

[BlindMilwaukee]

To add to the above, once a player ages a bit and loses their explosive speed what are they left with?

We are hoping to be left with those other tools, hockey IQ, good hands, accurate passer.

I still have a Lombardi jersey but that's really all he was - fast.

[camm13]

kylington is a super fast skater! yet..he spends most of his time flopping all over the ice and the worst of times.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Speed is one of the most overrated skills there is. It’s pointless if a player skates faster than they think out the play or handle the puck well enough to make a good pass or accurate shot. Give me a slower player that takes time to make plays and keep possession over a speedster. Very few players can do both.

Ask James Neal.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Dude, I am 100% with you, I think people will also be in for a surprise. After watching Huberdeau for a bit myself, I was actually shocked at how poor his skating was. His skating is different from Tkachuk in that he probably has slightly better separation speed, but Matthew has stronger edgework and shields the puck well, so he has that over Huberdeau I think.

Huberdeau’s skating definitely appears to be his greatest deficiency as it may hamper his ability to play at the pace Darryl Sutter requests. It’s going to be interesting to see how his checking game and rush game will translate with his new team.

Amazing as it may sound, I’m pretty sure Darryl will find a very nice place for him despite all the CP skating analysts.

[GioforPM]

All the reviews I saw say he’s a perfectly good skater. About the same as a Landeskog, they say.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Saqe

All good but I just disagree then. Tkachuck may have cement in his boots but I'll counter and say Huberdeau skates in mud lol. A lot of movement but nothing happens. I haven't seen this "plenty fast enough" from him, he certainly doesn't blow by anyone (obviously neither does Tkachuck).

He was 2nd in the NHL in points last year, so I wager something good must have been happening.

[Mayo]

Does the protection of the 1st roll over infinitely?

Ie. if the 2025 1st is bumped to 2026...could it be bumped again to 2027 or potentially be a 2026 1st overall?

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Mayo

Does the protection of the 1st roll over infinitely?

Ie. if the 2025 1st is bumped to 2026...could it be bumped again to 2027 or potentially be a 2026 1st overall?

No 2026 is the max.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by timbit

Amazing as it may sound, I’m pretty sure Darryl will find a very nice place for him despite all the CP skating analysts.

No kidding. Looking at Huberdeau I've never seen a concern with his skating. He's elite in so many areas that just above average skating is considered a detriment. Florida plays the game at a very high tempo as well, and that never held the 115 point scorer back. My only concern with Huberdeau is his defensive coverage, the same concern with Gaudreau and Tkachuk. Both adapted and were fine under Sutter. Huberdeau will be a fan favorite if he signs long-term.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by timbit

Amazing as it may sound, I’m pretty sure Darryl will find a very nice place for him despite all the CP skating analysts.

He may very well.

But I don’t think it’s necessarily up to Darryl, it’s ultimately up to Huberdeau and how his game responds and reacts to his new line mates. For instance, Monahan under Sutter, couldn’t find a fit with anybody. He sort of just played with everybody until he found his way onto the 4th line one day.

My expectations for Huberdeau aren’t going to be sky high; it’s a big change for him, so I think there could be a big adjustment period. If he ends up crushing it out of the park, than that’ll be a pleasant surprise.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Saqe

All good but I just disagree then. Tkachuck may have cement in his boots but I'll counter and say Huberdeau skates in mud lol. A lot of movement but nothing happens. I haven't seen this "plenty fast enough" from him, he certainly doesn't blow by anyone (obviously neither does Tkachuck).

This whole thing started because you mocked me for saying Huberdeau is a better skater than Tkachuk... nobody said he was blazing fast

It's laughable to suggest otherwise and that is why nobody agrees with you except the guy who didn't know the context.

You think Huberdeau got 115 points because Bennett carried the puck?

As for watching him for than anyone I will side with Calipanthers

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

He may very well.

But I don’t think it’s necessarily up to Darryl, it’s ultimately up to Huberdeau and how his game responds and reacts to his new line mates. For instance, Monahan under Sutter, couldn’t find a fit with anybody. He sort of just played with everybody until he found his way onto the 4th line one day.

My expectations for Huberdeau aren’t going to be sky high; it’s a big change for him, so I think there could be a big adjustment period. If he ends up crushing it out of the park, than that’ll be a pleasant surprise.

He played with Bennett and Reinhart ( 2 prior massive underachievers), primarily, last season and “crushing it out of the park”, he most certainly did.

115 points.

We’re talking about a well over a point a game player ,over the last 5 seasons.
Like, more points than Johnny or any other Flame in the last five seasons.

But, let the negative spinners carry on.

A phenomenal haul by Tre.

[dino7c]

Guy set the assists record for an LW this past season...like NHL record all time

yet others are carrying the puck for him? derp