[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Lol, I watched the guy since he entered the league. He's never been a good skater. That's why he doesn't carry the puck up the ice a la Gaudreau, it was always Barkov/Trocheck/Bennett in Florida.

Well it seems you are alone on this one

I never said he was McDavid but compared to Tkachuk...keep digging, this is a terrible take.

Tkachuk may be the worst non goon skater in the league, this isn't new information. Skating isn't everything but reality check.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Have you watched Tkachuk? Since that was the comparison.

There aren’t a lot of skaters in the league worse than Tkachuk. Huberdeau certainly isn’t one of them.

[dino7c]

Like I said...good sign when all anyone against the trade can muster up is misinformation and "they won't sign"

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Have you watched Tkachuk? Since that was the comparison.

Seems like I'm the only one who has watched both. Neither is a good skater and whether people think one is slightly better than the other is semantics, it's a wash pretty much in the end.

You guys are in for a surprise if you think Huberdeau is a good skater. He's never been explosive or fast. I'm not sure why anyone would even claim that.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

We can all have an opinion on the guy and we all have our biases, but it seems hard to argue that Huberdeau is a poorer skater than Tkachuk. I don't think Matt would even agree with that.

As for my biases: I love the all-round smart players. Yzerman, Sakic types. Not huge guys, not necessarily speedsters, not the hardest shots. But smart. Wicked smart and who know how to produce and make others better. To me, that is Jonathan Huberdeau.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Who is this magical team that's giving the Flames a 2023 unprotected lottery pick for 1 year of Tkatchuk?

Lots of teams who would be no where near the lottery anyways

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Lol, I watched the guy since he entered the league. He's never been a good skater. That's why he doesn't carry the puck up the ice a la Gaudreau, it was always Barkov/Trocheck/Bennett in Florida.

...115 points with EIGHTY FIVE ASSISTS.

He CARRIED Bennett and Reinhart to career seasons.

Try watching the game without a blindfold on.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by timbit

...115 points with EIGHTY FIVE ASSISTS.

He CARRIED Bennett and Reinhart to career seasons.

Try watching the game without a blindfold on.

He's a great player. I'm not sure what your point is regarding his skating though.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Seems like I'm the only one who has watched both. Neither is a good skater and whether people think one is slightly better than the other is semantics, it's a wash pretty much in the end.

You guys are in for a surprise if you think Huberdeau is a good skater. He's never been explosive or fast. I'm not sure why anyone would even claim that.

Explosive and fast are not what makes someone a good hockey player, or even a good skater. It just makes them fast. Matt Lombardi was fast. Rico Fata was SO fast.

How fast is Bergeron? Marchand? Draisaitl? Matthews? Zibanejad? Barkov? Sid? O’Reilly?

Whatever Huberdeau’s limitations, they haven’t stopped him from being incredibly effective his entire career.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Seems like I'm the only one who has watched both. .

I couldn’t have asked for a better response. The absolute best.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I couldn’t have asked for a better response. The absolute best.

Well I mean the responses so far have been that Huberdeau is a good skater and that it's insane to claim anything else etc. So yes, it does feel like I'm the only one who has actually watched him.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Seems like I'm the only one who has watched both. Neither is a good skater and whether people think one is slightly better than the other is semantics, it's a wash pretty much in the end.

You guys are in for a surprise if you think Huberdeau is a good skater. He's never been explosive or fast. I'm not sure why anyone would even claim that.

Um...I've seen both...lots.

I don't want to throw you under the bus, but you're wrong about Huberdeau's skating. Not a speedster, but plenty fast enough. Tkachuk has cement in his boots.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Seems like I'm the only one who has watched both. Neither is a good skater and whether people think one is slightly better than the other is semantics, it's a wash pretty much in the end.

You guys are in for a surprise if you think Huberdeau is a good skater. He's never been explosive or fast. I'm not sure why anyone would even claim that.

I honestly don't believe you. There's no way someone has seen both and would still claim Tkatchuk is the BETTER skater lol.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Um...I've seen both...lots.

I don't want to throw you under the bus, but you're wrong about Huberdeau's skating. Not a speedster, but plenty fast enough. Tkachuk has cement in his boots.

Must be kind of cool for this swap to happen between the teams you follow. You still get to cheer for all the players!

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Well I mean the responses so far have been that Huberdeau is a good skater and that it's insane to claim anything else etc. So yes, it does feel like I'm the only one who has actually watched him.

Have you considered that you might just, in fact, be wrong about this? Possibly?

I certainly wouldn’t have ever considered huberdeau to be a worse skater thank Tkachuk, and let’s be honest here, everyone on this site has seen both of them skate

Likely doesn’t matter much anyway they both are extremely effective players

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by delayedreflex

If you listened to Treliving's press conference though, this package was far and away the best value return out there. Calgary can still go the lottery sweepstakes route, by flipping Huberdeau and Weegar - if they flip them to places where they will sign long term contracts, I figure Huberdeau could fetch 2 first + prospect and Weegar for 1 first + lower pick + prospect, or something like that. That basically makes the Tkachuk trade getting the equivalent of ~4 first round picks + 4 prospects/lower picks which surely you'd agree is an exceptional return for any player. There's no way they get that return just by trading Tkachuk directly for a package of futures. While I think it's pretty unlikely for them to go the rebuilding route, it's still there as an option and even if you preference is to tear down and go for a lottery pick this next year, you still do this deal every time.

This is at least a more reasonable response. It's good to get something back but there's still a lot of risks in getting two soon to be UFA agents - worst is if both walk for nothing. Secondly, this team currently with Huberdeau and Weegar is not much better off than last year. So, it's almost like saying, "hey let's just get into the playoffs. Who cares if we get knocked out in the first or second round again." The mediocre BS must stop somewhere. And no, I don't expect teams to give up their unprotected first round draft. Flames need to do that for themselves. And no, it's not just Bedard I'm talking about. Look past the first overall pick people.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Lol, I watched the guy since he entered the league. He's never been a good skater. That's why he doesn't carry the puck up the ice a la Gaudreau, it was always Barkov/Trocheck/Bennett in Florida.

WTF?

Huberdeau has been amazing since 2018/19, long before he was playing with guys like Bennett. Trocheck had 34 points that year. Huberdeau has not consistently played with Barkov the last 4 years.

[Mull]

Regarding skating- do none of the advance metrics measure skating as a metric to allow us to have some sort of semi-empirical data point to compare the players?


I tried using "the google" but came up short

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by CSharp

This is at least a more reasonable response. It's good to get something back but there's still a lot of risks in getting two soon to be UFA agents - worst is if both walk for nothing.

Why do you assume they'll walk Huberdeau and Weegar to UFA if they say they want out? They sure didn't with Tkachuk.

I think at this point the only people who dislike this trade thought that the Flames could have a got a comparable player who was the same age as Tkachuk. Teams were St Louis, Carolina, and Florida. Sure I would have taken Lundell, Kyrou, or Svechnikov but none of those types were on the table.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by CSharp

The more I think about this trade, the more I think the deal isn't all that great. Huberdeau is awesome, but he's 5 years from where Tkachuk is and another 5 years where he'll be past his prime. Weegar is a puck moving d-man but no, you have Kylington - both are around the same size at 6'0". Small d-men gets you nowhere in the playoffs. This trade only buys you 1 year to try and sign both of these guys before they hit free agency. It's almost like buying time to sign or trade Tkachuk situation. It's like the Flames just gave the Panthers a gifted rugged winger in return for 2-players to think about keeping or losing next year! Sure, there's another prospect and a conditional 1st in 2025 but it'll likely be a low 1st round draft pick that gets traded away anyways. Wished the Flames would've gone for the lottery sweepstakes instead.

It's been 3 days and i still can't believe the Panthers made this trade. Still in dreamland I guess.