[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

It’s possible though can’t give him 8 years now. But we just lost Gaudreau and are possibly a better team. 2 days ago we were rebuilding so if they want to make a run this year rebuild next summer I’m fine with it

Weegar and Huberdeau makes $9.1 mil Tkachuk makes $9.5. They trade Lucic or Monahan or both they could go all in and be as good as any team in the league if they get some good moves done

Plenty of contenders would want a cheap Huberdeau, even for one year

Huberdeau would not want to risk having a bad year with the new team and lose tons of money

If they can’t agree, more than likely he doesn’t want to be here

Treliving should have learned his lesson

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Hackey

The problem with the trade is it is a win now move. If we landed Huberdeau with a stacked roster I'd be really pumped we were going for it, even if it was for only one year. If Huberdeau signs a deal though that gives the team a few years to try and build around him which should hopefully be exciting as well. But if he doesn't sign this all could turn into a major disaster where we lose Gaudreau and Tkachuk for peanuts and all our trade pieces have less value. In that scenario yikes.

This my line of thinking as well. Feels very heavily weighted towards 2023, with a group that’s not even as good as last season. So that should temper expectations right there. The scenario that the Flames keep an un-signed Huberdeau and Weager for a playoff run and then lose them for nothing to free agency does exist which I agree, would look disastrous.

Although, the one silver lining that I’ve seen is that if the Flames look out of it by the TDL, Huberdeau and Weager could fetch a bounty in which case all the pieces obtained from the Tkachuk deal could amount to quite a bit. Although the pieces would look more so quantity over quality, which isn’t preferred, but would be acceptable.

[PeteMoss]

My take on tkachuk was that his reputation in everything was out sized in terms of his play game to game. He's not dirty like the media has said. He's not really this unicorn Iginla like guy either as he's an average at best fighter. He's effective and a good player, but I'll be surprised if he's more than a ppg player going forward.

A Mark Stone type guy rather than a Jarome Iginla.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

No, the worst case would be repeating what happened with Gaudreau, which is very conceivable considering that it just played out like that with Gaudreau.

Gaudreau also told Treliving he wanted to sign for a calendar year. As soon as Tkachuk said he was out, he was gone within a week basically

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Cappy

I think it’s a running consensus that Tkachuk is the more complete player. Huberdeau lacks Uber speed as does Tkachuk. But Tkachuk is a better goal scorer and more physical. He’s better defensively too. Although maybe Sutter changes Huberdeau.

And yea Tkachuk is 5 years younger.

Tkachuk needs a catalyst to top 80 points. Huberdeau can put up over 100 playing with border line top six guys. Offensively it's Huberdeau by a country mile.

Was Tkachuk's d game all that great even. That was likely aided immensely by Sutter and Lindholm.

Tkachuk definitely has age going for him, although it seems like Huberdeau has fairly recently hit his peak.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

My take on tkachuk was that his reputation in everything was out sized in terms of his play game to game. He's not dirty like the media has said. He's not really this unicorn Iginla like guy either as he's an average at best fighter. He's effective and a good player, but I'll be surprised if he's more than a ppg player going forward.

A Mark Stone type guy rather than a Jarome Iginla.

Or in simpler terms... A good 1st line player but not a franchise guy,

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

Given the circumstances this seems like about the best outcome we could expect - although it would have been nice if Hubs had at least one more year on his deal.

It would have been interesting to see what other deals brad was being offered.

If Hubs had another year, this deal does not get done.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I don't

Tkachuk played with much better linemates

Did he though? Between Barkov and Gaudreau/Lindholm i don't think that the gap is nearly as wide as it may seem at first glance.

[Atodaso]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

My take on tkachuk was that his reputation in everything was out sized in terms of his play game to game. He's not dirty like the media has said. He's not really this unicorn Iginla like guy either as he's an average at best fighter. He's effective and a good player, but I'll be surprised if he's more than a ppg player going forward.

A Mark Stone type guy rather than a Jarome Iginla.

Isn't Stone known for his defensive abilities?

I've always felt Tkachuk was somewhere between Perry and Marchand.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Did he though? Between Barkov and Gaudreau/Lindholm i don't think that the gap is nearly as wide as it may seem at first glance.

Huberdeau mainly played with Bennett

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Two teams, had to instantly drop out because of Tkachuk’s contract status. If Huberdeau was available, there’d be more teams capable of instantly fitting him into their cap structure. Huberdeau is the better player, and if the same contractual approach is taken, there would be many suitors.

Sorry, but you’re not going to convince me that one year of Huberdeau is worth more than a guaranteed 8 years of Tkachuk. I agree with you that Huberdeau is the better player and has an easier cap hit to swallow, but all things being equal, 8 years of Matthew Tkachuk beats a one year rental of any player in the NHL IMO.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Did he though? Between Barkov and Gaudreau/Lindholm i don't think that the gap is nearly as wide as it may seem at first glance.

He didn't play with Barkov other than special teams

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Did he though? Between Barkov and Gaudreau/Lindholm i don't think that the gap is nearly as wide as it may seem at first glance.

Huberdeau played with Barkov on the power play, not 5 on 5. 5 on 5 he was pretty much stapled to Bennett.

[C_of_Red28]

After the disappointing last couple of seasons, and the playoff exit by the Oilers, I was at an all time low with this team. I for one am super happy that change happen. Did we lose good players with Gaudreau and Tkachuk, YES, but something wasn't working with this team and change needed to happen. This trade has sparked my excitement for next season and I am looking forward to seeing Huberdeau in a Flames jersey. Bring on the new season

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Sorry, but you’re not going to convince me that one year of Huberdeau is worth more than a guaranteed 8 years of Tkachuk. I agree with you that Huberdeau is the better player and has an easier cap hit to swallow, but all things being equal, 8 years of Matthew Tkachuk beats a one year rental of any player in the NHL IMO.

Agreed but Tkachuk was a one year rental for the Flames

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I don't think its an opinion that the Flames took the best offer available, they did

what they do from here is certainly up for debate

You’ll never have the ability to truly evaluate that part of the situation. We’ll never know what all the offers were or what variations were discussed. It’s your opinion they didn’t have anything equivalent elsewhere.

You should consider there was pressure to lean towards a return that fits continuing to compete now, Sutter as coach, ownership needs attendance $, and Treliving is trying to keep his job. Keep in mind I’m not on Team Rebuild.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Sorry, but you’re not going to convince me that one year of Huberdeau is worth more than a guaranteed 8 years of Tkachuk. I agree with you that Huberdeau is the better player and has an easier cap hit to swallow, but all things being equal, 8 years of Matthew Tkachuk beats a one year rental of any player in the NHL IMO.

8 years of Tkachuk wasn't an option for the Flames
Huby will sign or be traded
Also all the other assets

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Huberdeau played with Barkov on the power play, not 5 on 5. 5 on 5 he was pretty much stapled to Bennett.

Which means if he got 115 points playing next to The Legend, he prob would have had 150 points if he played with Barkov.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

It’s possible though can’t give him 8 years now. But we just lost Gaudreau and are possibly a better team. 2 days ago we were rebuilding so if they want to make a run this year rebuild next summer I’m fine with it

Weegar and Huberdeau makes $9.1 mil Tkachuk makes $9.5. They trade Lucic or Monahan or both they could go all in and be as good as any team in the league if they get some good moves done

To keep Gaudreau and Mangiapane, the Flames were going to need to move out cap already. If Huberdeau states he's going to stay, they need to look at moving cap again.

All depends on what Huberdeau is telling the club. He must have wanted out of Miami. He's from a small mountain town outside of Montreal. So sell him on the big mountain town in Alberta. Bring him in the linemates he wants.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Sorry, but you’re not going to convince me that one year of Huberdeau is worth more than a guaranteed 8 years of Tkachuk. I agree with you that Huberdeau is the better player and has an easier cap hit to swallow, but all things being equal, 8 years of Matthew Tkachuk beats a one year rental of any player in the NHL IMO.

I get what you’re saying. But before yesterday, Tkachuk had no contract. Huberdeau has 1 year left at a very good cap hit. Who’s to say an extension couldn’t be hammered out before the trade, just like Tkachuk? If it could, he’s more valuable to more teams because 5.9 mil for this year is much more palatable. Not too mention, the Flames could also eat 50% this year. Lots of options.