[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st - Page 87 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Bonded · 07-23-2022, 01:13 PM

Why do people think Treliving will let Huberdeau and Weegar walk to go on a run? Why wouldn't he have just signed Tkachuk to a one year deal and take a run?

FlameyMcFlameFace · 07-23-2022, 01:13 PM

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I don't see a re-run of it?

Bonded · 07-23-2022, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by FlameyMcFlameFace

I don't see a re-run of it?

Tre is on right now

Infinit47 · 07-23-2022, 01:14 PM

Pretty clear from the presser that Trelieving has harder feelings towards Gaudreau than Tkachuk. At least that's what I took away.

dino7c · 07-23-2022, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonded

Why do people think Treliving will let Huberdeau and Weegar walk to go on a run? Why wouldn't he have just signed Tkachuk to a one year deal and take a run?

because they said the trade would be underwhelming and need to keep the doom and gloom going

Its the Oiler fan opinion today too, go figure

GreenLantern2814 · 07-23-2022, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cappy

Have to hand it to treliving. He turned lemon into lemonade. Very bad position to be in with Tkachuk and was able to flip him for a good return.

As mentioned. Tkachuk is a phenomenal all around player - he’s better than huberdeau, he’s better than Weeger. But to get both and a 1st? Smart play

Tkachuk isn’t better than Huberdeau.

Huberdeau has been a PPG player for four straight years. The only thing Tkachuk has over Huberdeau is his age.

Watching his highlights, Huberdeau is better than Gaudreau. He’s the perfect size for a hockey player. He’s able to protect the puck better, his shot is better, he’s stronger, he’s more consistent.

His contract situation actually benefits the Flames - having a $10.5M deal start after Monahan and Lucic expire while getting this year @ $5.9M is a huge win.

dino7c · 07-23-2022, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Infinit47

Pretty clear from there presser that Trelieving has harder feelings towards Gaudreau than Tkachuk. At least that's what I took away.

who doesn't...gives them a counter they meet and then goes to CJB for less and says some really dumb stuff

Hackey · 07-23-2022, 01:15 PM

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You guys always assume the worst case scenario "going for it" and the best case scenario in rebuilding

Far more rebuilds fail than turn into anything great

The Flames won't lose the two main cogs in this trade for nothing, its not happening

also the Flames roster is too good and the division is too bad to rebuild now anyway...its as easy a pass to round three as ever.

Oilers? pfft...I will take them over any other top 2 divisional team thanks

I never said anything about rebuilding. I was addressing the trade specifically and the possible outcomes. One of which was he signs and that should be exciting if we can build around him. But sure read whatever you want.

topfiverecords · 07-23-2022, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames took the best offer available for a player they had to trade...critical thinking says they made the correct decision.

Even if you are "team rebuild" they have more to trade today than yesterday. There is a reason most people agree.

You’re not getting it. The point isn’t about agreeing. It’s about being a dick to people who’s opinion doesn’t match yours.

JTech780 · 07-23-2022, 01:16 PM

Great trade and a great return.

That being said Treliving can’t go into the season without an extension for these players. He just can’t risk losing them for nothing.

With these two we are a playoff team or at the very least a bubble team and if we are even close to the playoffs they aren’t getting traded.

So if he gets to training camp and doesn’t have an extension in place he has to move them.

If it gets to that point I would look at eating half their salary. Huberdeau at $3m will bring in a lot of assets, even with 1 year left. Same with Weegar at $1.75m.

Priority one is to sign them, but failing that he has to move them.

dino7c · 07-23-2022, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Tkachuk isn’t better than Huberdeau.

Huberdeau has been a PPG player for four straight years. The only thing Tkachuk has over Huberdeau is his age.

Watching his highlights, Huberdeau is better than Gaudreau. He’s the perfect size for a hockey player. He’s able to protect the puck better, his shot is better, he’s stronger, he’s more consistent.

His contract situation actually benefits the Flames - having a $10.5M deal start after Monahan and Lucic expire while getting this year @ $5.9M is a huge win.

Yep, if he signs this is a grand slam and there will be no argument...no sane one anyway

dino7c · 07-23-2022, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by topfiverecords

You’re not getting it. The point isn’t about agreeing. It’s about being a dick to people who’s opinion doesn’t match yours.

pot calling the kettle black much

Critical thinking says it THIS TRADE was the right move...no matter what direction you think is best

took the best deal by far for a player they had to move, its laughable to suggest otherwise, sorry guy

now back to funny cat videos

BoLevi · 07-23-2022, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Infinit47

Pretty clear from the presser that Trelieving has harder feelings towards Gaudreau than Tkachuk. At least that's what I took away.

Makes sense. Matthew conducted himself like a professional.

John looked disrespectful and foolish.

FormerPresJamesTaylor · 07-23-2022, 01:19 PM

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Worst case is flames deal both guys at deadline who will fetch each a 1st and a prospect. .

The worst case is we make the playoffs, don't do anything, and they both walk as UFA's. That's the worst case.

flamesgod · 07-23-2022, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Not a chance Huberdeau nets the Flames more than Tkachuk did. Even though Huberdeau is likely the superior player, Matthew was an RFA ready to sign an 8 year deal whereas Huberdeau to another team looks mode like a 1 year rental. Team control is everything to a GM.

Two teams, had to instantly drop out because of Tkachuk’s contract status. If Huberdeau was available, there’d be more teams capable of instantly fitting him into their cap structure. Huberdeau is the better player, and if the same contractual approach is taken, there would be many suitors.

sureLoss · 07-23-2022, 01:21 PM

Tre on Tkachuk's list. Said there was 2 teams on there that right away it was clear they wouldn't be able to do a deal with (I think he meant wouldn't be able to fit Tkachuk cap wise).

Also said time was a factor. Cognizant that the player's list could potentially become 1 team if it took too long.

PuckDemon · 07-23-2022, 01:21 PM

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Sorry, but I hate the idea that just because the organization/owner or whoever wants it this way, then we as fans should all just conform and accept things the way they are.

I don’t really care if I come off as black sheep here, it wouldn’t be the first time. I’m still going to put my opinion out there just like everyone else, even if it is unpopular.

Your input is valuable and keeps things interesting. I wasn't saying that you're making this place less fun. I just found that when I was obsessing too much over asset management, it got to a point where I was personally having less fun.

Hackey · 07-23-2022, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonded

Why do people think Treliving will let Huberdeau and Weegar walk to go on a run? Why wouldn't he have just signed Tkachuk to a one year deal and take a run?

If the Flames are in a strong position similar to this year at the deadline I think they keep the players. Who knows but that doesn't seem like a crazy prediction. If they deal them at the deadline they are rentals which will return something okay but nothing great. For example you might have been able to trade Tkachuk for Kyrou but there is zero chance you trade Huberdeau for Kyrou as a rental. So there is definitely some risk here if you don't sign Huberdeau. This is not doom and gloom its a realistically possibility that I hope is avoided by an extension this summer.

topfiverecords · 07-23-2022, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

pot calling the kettle black much

Critical thinking says it THIS TRADE was the right move...no matter what direction you think is best

took the best deal by far for a player they had to move, its laughable to suggest otherwise, sorry guy

now back to funny cat videos

Keep boostering your opinion. You’re leading the league in posts!

Atodaso · 07-23-2022, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Infinit47

Pretty clear from the presser that Trelieving has harder feelings towards Gaudreau than Tkachuk. At least that's what I took away.

I choose to believe its directly due to the fact they matched the terms Gaudreau wanted to stay and they reneged. That's the crux of it. After that happened, Treliving realized there never really was a path to retain him and that sting will linger.