[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

I wonder if part of the reason Tkachuk was willing to sign in Florida was the chance to play with another elite playmaker in Huberdeau. Yes they have other good forwards there, but I’m sure the thought crossed his mind at least once.

Might have been fun to see Tkachuk’s reaction when he learned who was going to Calgary from Florida.

Tkachuk was probably happy he went for such a haul

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

So did TJ Brodie - I miss him on this team every day.

Kylington’s brain produces flatulence like a lactose-intolerant who drinks nothing but chocolate milk. And he handles the puck like a live grenade. I still want him in the lineup every night because he can Instant Transmission his way out of mistakes.

Yeah, I know, I love Brodie as well. I'm not the one who said Weegar has brain fart. You should say this to the person who actually said Weegar is nothing to write home about.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Tkachuk has been complaining for a few years that no one on the Flames has his back and he has to fight his own battle. My question is that is there anyone on the Panthers roster can fight his battle for or with him?

Bennett is definitely one guy who won't hesitate to back Chucky

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Gaudreau is the same age as huberdeau . We were all pissed he left and didn't resign. We just replace him with a better more consistent player . What's the problem here?

The problem is the Flames lost both Gaudreau and Tkachuk this offseason who were imperative to the Flames' success this past season.

Not taking contracts into consideration, trading Tkachuk for Huberdeau is ultimately just a swap. Team doesn't really gain that much as player vs player, they're somewhat comparable. Weager makes things interesting, but unless both players are extended, they're essentially 1 year rentals.

So in the end, losing 2 franchise players and adding just 1 back is no bueno. Throw in the contract status and it could be disastrous. Like, how would we all react if the Flames lost in first round and then proceeded to lose both Huberdeau and Weager for nothing next summer? That scenario very much exists.

[questionmotives]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Still not a fan of this trade after having a moment to process it, but there’s no doubt there’s a whole host of questions that need to be addressed:

1. So Tre has found his Johnny Gaudreau replacement, where will he find his Matthew Tkachuk or other RW replacement? Free agency or within the system.

2. Have the Flames actually improved from last season’s team? It’s July. Wait and see?

3. After playing in a no state tax, how will Huberdeau react to $500,000 less take home pay Probably doesn’t like it.

4. Will both players like snowy winters after living in Florida for so many years? Maybe.

5. How much time does it take the new guys to gel with their new linemates? Training camp, probably.

6. How will they react to Darryl Sutter’s abrasive coaching style? Your bias is showing.

7. After years of CP lamenting about Tkachuk/Gaudreau’s playoff performances, the same applies for Huberdeau, how does he buck the trend? Playing well.

8. Will Brad Treliving trade both Huberdeau and Weager if they both remain un-signed and we sit comfortably in a playoff position Likely.

9. With the Weager addition, what happens to Kylington? Is he traded? does he re-sign long term? short term? Does he still play with Tanev? Does Weager end up on the third pair? These are six different questions, wait and see.

10. How would the fanbase ultimately react if the team ends up suffering a quick playoff exit next season and lose both Weager and Huberdeau for nothing next summer? See the last week.

Anything else?

[Jiggy_12]

Even the best mental gymnastics can’t spin this negatively. This is as A++ as a trade as you’ll ever see your favorite team make in any sport.

This isn’t even a “wait and see”. This is an immediate win and a possible robbery

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Still not a fan of this trade after having a moment to process it, but there’s no doubt there’s a whole host of questions that need to be addressed:

1. So Tre has found his Johnny Gaudreau replacement, where will he find his Matthew Tkachuk or other RW replacement?

This doesn't even make sense, Gaudreau was gone...long gone before this deal

Flames are way better than they were yesterday

[Bonded]

Worst case this should be 4ish 1st round picks for Tkachuk.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf_Phan

Since we have cap space, why not sign UFA Bergeron for 2 years $8M per? I like that better than Kadri.

Never happen. Bergeron is an absolute beast, has a cup, and will end his career in Boston. He's not waiting on the Bruins, they're waiting on him.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by PuckDemon

11. The sidewalks get icy here in the winter. What if a player slips and injures themselves?

12. Does Huberdeau collapse under the pressure of having to replace Johnny? Having the same last three letters in their names will draw that much more scrutiny on the comparison. Does our new Johnny have the mental fortitude to make it through intact?

13. Is the team literally Colorado now? No, and that worries me. Even if we were Colorado, Kadri might be gone and that keeps me up at night.

14. Has Treliving factored in the eventual heat death of the universe? It will be extremely hard to contend for the cup when the universe is unable to sustain processes that increase entropy. Management really needs to think long term here.

I'm out of thanks, but this make me

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by dino7c

This doesn't even make sense, Gaudreau was gone...long gone before this deal

Flames are way better than they were yesterday

Are they better than when they lost in round 2? If we're going to try and compete, that's all that matters

[browna]

Hmm, with Florida not having the 1st round picks to do an offer sheet, and maybe some other team sniffing around an offer sheet, BT elected Club Arbitration to specifically help out Florida by taking that possibility off the table, which of course BT told FLA they had to add thing or things to the deal for the Flames to do that for them.

In the end, if the two UFAs dont sign, they will both fetch 1st round picks which means 3 total 1st round picks, plus likely more assets/players, so better than an offer sheet scenario.

I highly anticipate one or both guys sign deals though.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Are they better than when they lost in round 2? If we're going to compete, that's all that matters

As much as I liked Gudbranson I'd wager dollars to doughnuts that Weeger is better. So yes...

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I don't think this is on the table. Why'd Tre not just have gambled on a year of Tkachuk. Sign or trade.

Because he got Huberdeau, Weager, prospect and a 1st out of Tkachuk. RFAs hold considerably more value than UFAs as we saw with what occurred with Johnny.

If Tkachuck wasn't re-signing, then trading him was an absolute no brainer in terms of asset management. The team's direction on the other hand...that's a different story.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Bennett is definitely one guy who won't hesitate to back Chucky

Oh yeah, I think you are right, how can I forget Sammy.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Are they better than when they lost in round 2? If we're going to try and compete, that's all that matters

D is better...forwards are close
every year is different so who knows
season let alone playoffs are a long way and multiple moves away

Tkachuk/Gaudreau got to round two ONE time...we can stop acting like it was the norm with those guys leading the charge

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

As much as I liked Gudbranson I'd wager dollars to doughnuts that Weeger is better. So yes...

So the team adds Huberdeau and Weegar, but loses Gaudreau and Tkachuk. We're better?

[btimbit]

This is like one of those ridiculous fan proposals except it actually happened

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by dino7c

D is better...forwards are close
every year is different so who knows

Tkachuk/Gaudreau got to round two ONE time...we can stop acting like it was the norm with those guys leading the charge

How are forwards close? Huh?

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I think you're overthinking it.

I think you're under thinking it.

I would hope that Treliving asked himself these types of questions before he made the trade, otherwise you end up in the same situation he ended up this offseason.