[News] Tkachuk notifies Flames he won't sign long term (The Athletic)

[ComixZone]

I’m really hoping for an NJD deal.

Bratt + Holtz + 1st would be something that I consider to be an absolute home run return now that I’ve looked at Bratt a bit more. Seems like that may just be a “dream” return though…but hey, hope!

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by bax

We are about to get hosed

StL needs to pay a premium if we are trading him within the conference. Trade him to the East if all things are equal. Hope Treliving is making that clear to Armstrong.

[tony-soprano]

I’d be happy with Kyrou and a first rounder all day. Then we just need to find someone who can dish the puck to Lindholm/Kyrou.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

The 4th one would be a wild rip-off for the Islanders. They trade Beauvellier and a 1st and get Tarasenko?

If that is a rip off then why is Tarasenko always disregarded as nothing in every trade offer involving him. Imo any trade where we get him needs to be a 3 team trade but even with a small amount of salary retained could land us something pretty good

I’d be all over 4 if that pick isn’t lottery protected. Isles are in a tough division no lock to make the playoffs. Kyrou and perunovich have huge potential for this team

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by MrMike

I want a trade with New Jersey, young attractive pieces and lottery first rounder.

Still can't see them knocking someone out of a playoff spot with that goaltending and defence.

If NJ trades their 2023 1st round pick it will be lottery protected.

Pretty much all trades of 1st round picks are lottery protected these days. Even Tampa Bay's.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If NJ trades their 2023 1st round pick it will be lottery protected.

I'd be fine with it being top-3 protected.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Bingo

People can certainly read with a filter.

I saw St. Louis writer making proposals and objective journalists knocking them down as too light and you're summary is we're screwed?

Dom has repeatedly written that he thinks Tkachuk is a unicorn and a top 10 player in the league next season and I agree with him.

No matter what the trade ends up being I’m pretty confident we won’t be getting that kind of value back- especially when it’s public knowledge the Flames have been forced into this position.

It sucks. Combine that with the rumors that Flames ownership still wants to compete and avoid a re-build and this trade could end up setting the Flames back years.

Besides, those trades aren’t too far off what people have been suggesting here.

I’ll reserve judgement until this trade actually happens, but all signs are pointing towards the Flames getting fleeced and that is really disappointing.

This is a pivotal moment where the franchise would be wise to take a hard look in the mirror, but I don’t have much faith in ownership letting that happen.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

If that is a rip off then why is Tarasenko always disregarded as nothing in every trade offer involving him. Imo any trade where we get him needs to be a 3 team trade but even with a small amount of salary retained could land us something pretty good

I’d be all over 4 if that pick isn’t lottery protected. Isles are in a tough division no lock to make the playoffs. Kyrou and perunovich have huge potential for this team

Right now Tarasenko would be difficult to move due to his cap hit.

At the trade line, be could likely fetch a late first. He's well more than a cap dump.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I'd be fine with it being top-3 protected.

Agreed. I think that's the best we can hope for.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Right now Tarasenko would be difficult to move due to his cap hit.

At the trade line, be could likely fetch a late first. He's well more than a cap dump.

I quite like the idea of taking on Tarasenko and moving him for a pick. Flames could easily retain a bunch of his cap hit/salary to move him at the deadline if they're going to rebuild. His actual salary in the coming season is only $5.5 million. He would be an attractive rental worth a 1st round pick with a lot of that retained at the trade deadline.

The ideal to me seems to be the Flames trading their current high value players for picks and prospects, using the cap space to take on expensive players with expiring contracts along with more picks from teams that want cap relief, and then dealing those players at the deadline with retained salary to get more picks/prospects.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

If that is a rip off then why is Tarasenko always disregarded as nothing in every trade offer involving him.

He's UFA and therefore irrelevant as a trade chip. The goal is not just to get elite talent, but controllable assets for several years. Huge win for Armstrong if he manages to unload a 30 y/o UFA on us in exchange for an early 20s Tkachuk who signs a long term deal

[bax]

Originally Posted by saillias

He's UFA and therefore irrelevant as a trade chip. The goal is not just to get elite talent, but controllable assets for several years. Huge win for Armstrong if he manages to unload a 30 y/o UFA on us in exchange for an early 20s Tkachuk who signs a long term deal

Exactly. A 30 year old UFA has next to no value for where Calgary is at unless they plan on trading him at the deadline for draft picks.

This is a franchise altering trade- Picks, prospects, and young NHL’s need to be the target.

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I wonder how the discussions go to get this done.

Obviously Treliving's talking with other GMs to sort out a deal...

Tkachuk (his agent) is talking with other GMs to sort out a potential contract...

At some point either Treliving has to go to Tkachuk and say "we have a deal ready to send you to X if you'll sign there", or Tkachuk's agent approaches Treliving with "Matt will sign in X if you trade him there".

Problem is to maximize the trade return for the Flames, "X" probably should be at least 2 or 3 teams.

It's fine to say Tkachuk has a list of teams he'd be willing to be traded to, but those teams also have to be willing to sign him, and Tkachuk has to like the contract to sign it.

Maybe Tkachuk says he wants to make $___/yr, and Treliving has to negotiate that contract as part of the trade discussions (the very rare sign & trade)? Not sure if that makes it easier or more difficult...

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by saillias

He's UFA and therefore irrelevant as a trade chip. The goal is not just to get elite talent, but controllable assets for several years. Huge win for Armstrong if he manages to unload a 30 y/o UFA on us in exchange for an early 20s Tkachuk who signs a long term deal

If Treliving took on Tarasenko as a key part of the deal, that would be a disaster. Taking Tarasenko would be doing the blues a favor.

[Atodaso]

My fear with Tarasenko is the Flames just hold on to him for a run instead of dealing him at the deadline.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyB

If Treliving took on Tarasenko as a key part of the deal, that would be a disaster. Taking Tarasenko would be doing the blues a favor.

The carrot to taking Tarasenko as part of the deal would be flipping him to another team before the deadline.

But this is why he can't be the "key part", the focus should be the younger roster player & pick/prospect(s).

STL will need to address their cap situation somehow to sign Tkachuk, but we'll see whether that's all part of the same trade or a separate trade solves that.


I still think he ends up in NJ & we get Holtz, 1st & Bratt... or a reduced return would be a different cap dump instead of Bratt (Tatar?... would be similar circumstance to Tarasenko, trade Tatar at the deadline, albeit for less return)

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

If Treliving took on Tarasenko as a key part of the deal, that would be a disaster. Taking Tarasenko would be doing the blues a favor.

I think the idea would be Kyrou, a first and Tarasenko, he'd be the third part of the trade to make the numbers work.

Assuming Calgary could/would trade him at the deadline, it's like Kyrou and 2 firsts. In theory.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

If Treliving took on Tarasenko as a key part of the deal, that would be a disaster. Taking Tarasenko would be doing the blues a favor.

Why? I understand he may not be the main piece Flames fans want for Tkachuk, however, why would he be a disaster?

Tarasenko has 1 more year left at $7.5 MM. He is 30 years old and coming off a 82 point campaign when he scored 34 goals. He also scored 6 goals in 12 playoff games.

Tarasenko has been a consistent 30 goal scorer in the league. Even if he doesn't want to stay in Calgary, he is someone who can easily get a 1st round pick at the deadline.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Atodaso

My fear with Tarasenko is the Flames just hold on to him for a run instead of dealing him at the deadline.

I agree that’s why it need to be a 3 team trade

Tarasenko kyrou and 1st

Flip tarasenko to someone in on Tkachuk like the devils or isles

Retain a mil salary or more and get a 1st

Kyrou and 2 firsts is a good return imo

Kyrou makes $2.8 mil so Flames would be well short of the cap so retaining salary on a 1 year deal makes sense. Retain 50% maybe you get another pick added or a prospect.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Why? I understand he may not be the main piece Flames fans want for Tkachuk, however, why would he be a disaster?

Tarasenko has 1 more year left at $7.5 MM. He is 30 years old and coming off a 82 point campaign when he scored 34 goals. He also scored 6 goals in 12 playoff games.

Tarasenko has been a consistent 30 goal scorer in the league. Even if he doesn't want to stay in Calgary, he is someone who can easily get a 1st round pick at the deadline.

If the team is contending for a playoff position, they won’t trade him at the trade deadline.