[News] Tkachuk notifies Flames he won't sign long term (The Athletic)

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by iamca

Tarsey by all accounts from Blues fans is a semi anchor of a player:

Post apex
Lazy
Coasts
Uninspired
Soft


Pass. Look at a different team to trade Chuckles to, preferably out east.


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Well he is a lazy, uninspired, soft player who coasted to a team leading 82 points last year on the Blues. I would be more than willing to roll the dice on that type of player as part of the package.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

I have been getting my old jerseys made into pillow cases for the man cave. Looks like I have 2 new ones.

Why would a “man” cave have pillows?

[TheSquatch]

On one hand, it's sad to see the Flames lose their two most skilled scorers. On the other hand, I think we've seen in 8 years what Johnny is, and what he isn't. It is less clear what Tkachuk is capable of, but I was sure reluctant when the rumors about naming him Captain were floating around. He's just not that guy - not yet. He's super-charged sometimes, dead weight other times, and when he gets too heated, he's less effective both as a player and I think as a team leader.

The Johnny/Monny/Gio core never managed much. Don't hate 'em, they're good players all. But they never got far in the playoffs. It's been years.

So. New core... Lindholm, Mangiapane, Backlund is what he is (3C on a good team) he's not a problem, but he's not a top talent either - he has his moments. Other than that, I don't give a crap about the forward group, they are all replaceable (and that's a big part of the problem).

The D ... Hanifin looked shaky at times in the playoofs. Big Z is back, that's all right, but we've seen him be awesome and we've seen him be awful (usually in the same game!). Tanev is the critical defensive piece. And Andersson.... may yet be a true 1D, I'm not sure. I like his attitude and his skill set, hope he keeps improving. Hanifin I am less sure of, times he looks like he's really getting it, other times you wonder what the hell he's doing out there.

Lots of holes to fill, but lots of cap space to do some filling with too. But I feel like this year, with Lucic and possibly Monahan eating cap... maybe the team should just coast and regroup, see what free agents and drafting looks like, plan for retooling a year from now.

I think I'm less sad and shocked with JG and MT leaving because I thought this was really the year for the Flames to hammer it in the playoffs and they didn't, so more of the same was not too exciting for me.

[memphusk]

The Kyrou, Tarasenko, and 1st is intriguing to me, but I have big plans after acquiring that package.Trade Tarasenko for a first. Kyrou for a first plus. Trade Hanafin for a first. Trade Lindholm for a first. Trade Markstrom for whatever. Give him a chance to win. Same for Backlund. Trade Tanev for a first or prospect plus. Keep Kylington and Andersson. Build around those two for the next 3-4 years. Things will get better. Really get a Landeskog vibe from Andersson. The kid has made many adjustments to his game and really truly gives a ####. Need more of that.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

Why would a “man” cave have pillows?

NSFW!

What does your harem lounge on?

[icarus]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Why is the goal to be “somewhat competitive?”



We want to build a team that can win it all, no?



If going through a few rough seasons is needed to restock with young talent , I’d prefer that to spinning our wheels as a team good enough to make it but not make any noise.

A popular stance but not for me.

If being a terrible team for a while was a guarantee of winning it all in the future, sure. There are however far more examples of terrible teams remaining bad and not winning it all than there are of the Cinderella stories.

And as Flames fans we know a few rough seasons can last a lot longer than expected.

I'd rather try to punch a ticket to the playoffs every single season and see how far we get. Without mortgaging the future each time. But that's just me.

[Mars]

I’m going to reserve judgement on whether a retool or a rebuild is the way forward (in my opinion) until after we see the return from trading Tkachuk, but honestly it’s hard to get on board with watching the flames suck again potentially for years on end with no guarantees of a cup at the end…

[camm13]

Originally Posted by memphusk

The Kyrou, Tarasenko, and 1st is intriguing to me, but I have big plans after acquiring that package.Trade Tarasenko for a first. Kyrou for a first plus. Trade Hanafin for a first. Trade Lindholm for a first. Trade Markstrom for whatever. Give him a chance to win. Same for Backlund. Trade Tanev for a first or prospect plus. Keep Kylington and Andersson. Build around those two for the next 3-4 years. Things will get better. Really get a Landeskog vibe from Andersson. The kid has made many adjustments to his game and really truly gives a ####. Need more of that.

Lol. k.

[dino7c]

If the Flames get Kyrou they aren't trading him for a pick...did some of you not watch the Blues these playoffs?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by memphusk

The Kyrou, Tarasenko, and 1st is intriguing to me, but I have big plans after acquiring that package.Trade Tarasenko for a first. Kyrou for a first plus. Trade Hanafin for a first. Trade Lindholm for a first. Trade Markstrom for whatever. Give him a chance to win. Same for Backlund. Trade Tanev for a first or prospect plus. Keep Kylington and Andersson. Build around those two for the next 3-4 years. Things will get better. Really get a Landeskog vibe from Andersson. The kid has made many adjustments to his game and really truly gives a ####. Need more of that.

Well I am glad your big plans don't mean jack squat in reality.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother
Why would a “man” cave have pillows?

Spoiler!

[Owen15]

Has any team ever had all the picks in the first round before?

[FlamesAddiction]

Tkachuk for Point seems like an obvious one from a Flames perspective. An elite player with local roots, long term contract, and does not have an NMC.

The main issue is that Tampa probably isn't eager to mess with their line-up and Point is their best center by far, while they are pretty heavy on the wing already.

[Manhattanboy]

When will this nightmare be over?

[dino7c]

Tkachuk for Point would be a slam dunk win

[Roof-Daddy]

Umm, what did I miss?

Why are we even discussing Point?

Why would Tampa trade their #1C?

[SuperMatt18]

I think Tkachuk will get a decent return…but feel like people are setting themselves up to be disappointed.

Brayden Point isn’t happening.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Not sure why Tampa would trade Point or how that would work for Tampa's cap situation (insert joke here about them not having a cap). I don't see Tampa as a fit at all.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think Tkachuk will get a decent return…but feel like people are setting themselves up to be disappointed.

Brayden Point isn’t happening.

Setting themselves up for disappointment is right.

Tarasenko (82 points) Kyrou (75 points) AND a 1st??

Hahaha

Then they'll blame Treliving when it's Kyrou, Neighbors and maybe a 2nd

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by icarus

A popular stance but not for me.

If being a terrible team for a while was a guarantee of winning it all in the future, sure. There are however far more examples of terrible teams remaining bad and not winning it all than there are of the Cinderella stories.

And as Flames fans we know a few rough seasons can last a lot longer than expected.

I'd rather try to punch a ticket to the playoffs every single season and see how far we get. Without mortgaging the future each time. But that's just me.

Every time we make the playoffs we mortgage the future to some degree.

Trading away 2nd and 3rd round picks add up in the long run.

You look at pretty much every team that has won recently as well as most top teams and they have all picked in the top 3, in many cases more than once.

I know it’s worrisome but what bothers me more is, outside of a couple years after the Iggy era, we have been trying to win and be a playoff team. The success we have had in that time is not anything to get excited about.

You build through the draft so you need to pick near the top or hope to get lucky in the later rounds.

If the upcoming draft is as good as it’s touted to be this is a good time to load up on picks and young players/prospects for our aging vets.

I’m not talking a total tear down, I’m more thinking along the lines of what NYR have done. Keep key players that are still a reasonable age but sell off the guys that will be better served on a contender for the next couple seasons and pick high for 2-3 seasons.

I realize it might not end up that way but that is less of a risk in my eyes over continuing to think we are anywhere close to being good enough to beat the top teams in the West.