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ComixZone · 07-20-2022, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

The problem with the Rangers is how they make it work cap wise. I would definitely want Zibanajed though, him and Lindholm down the middle is drool worthy.

I think Kakko is absolutely worth going after.

EVERLAST · 07-20-2022, 02:06 PM

Nate Diaz said it best when he said....." I ain't even surprised MF ers"!

Okay ....time to get to work . Let's not sit around for another nanosecond feeling sorry for ourselves and get some players in here.

We've got options , time etc. Get at er Bradley!!!!

OldDutch · 07-20-2022, 02:06 PM

This is a blessing in disguise. We lost two players that I believe wouldn’t have reproduced their magic to the same level again. Even if both stayed.

That magic included another less than stellar off season. JG less so that Chucky but both not what you want for 10MM each.

I think Markstrom needs to be shopped as well. He is only coming down and a GM may bet on the Vezina nod as a marker of elite. Which he can be but dude is cursed against the Oilers of all teams. We need to beat them to go anywhere for the next few years.

The only question, full rebuild or re-tool. Tough call. Getting 1st overall next year would set us up but its a long long shot. Re-Tool not sure I want Tre on that, but his drafting has been the best the Flames have done. So maybe him not touching any FA will allow him to focus on his strengths

GioforPM · 07-20-2022, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Ah, I missed Robertson lingering as an RFA there. So they have the pieces to make the trade, and might be the best partner, but need to unload some cap to facilitate. Perhaps Arizona could be talked into three years on Benn if the Dallas first came along with it? Only 14M in real money left, but Benn has a full NMC.

Johnson (top point getter in the OHL D+1), Stankoven (third in points in the WHL D+1) and Gurianov (toolsy, just had a disappointing season, but bounceback candidate) is still the best potential offer out there.

I actually thought Robertson would be a nice piece coming back if the Flames could ink him. But he's also an American kid (though not a college kid). He is an RFA with no rights though.

dissentowner · 07-20-2022, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

I think Kakko is absolutely worth going after.

Me too but the issue is salary cap for the Rangers.

jg13 · 07-20-2022, 02:07 PM

Mull · 07-20-2022, 02:08 PM

Question maybe already answered here.

If we were going for the full rebuild... wouldn't of we hoped someone would of given him an offer sheet? Wouldn't that be a higher haul in terms of rebuild options then what we can trade for?

Doesn't going for the trade imply the flames are hoping for a band aid swap?

chedder · 07-20-2022, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Hopefully he moves out East. Playing against him often would be terrible.

I don't know. He seems pretty easy to get off his game.

bob-loblaw · 07-20-2022, 02:08 PM

Trade him to Arizona to play with Kassian.

GioforPM · 07-20-2022, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mull

Question maybe already answered here.

If we were going for the full rebuild... wouldn't of we hoped someone would of given him an offer sheet? Wouldn't that be a higher haul in terms of rebuild options then what we can trade for?

Doesn't going for the trade imply the flames are hoping for a band aid swap?

Well, sure, but hope isn't much to go on, and a lot of teams don't have the assets to make an offer sheet.

Jordan! · 07-20-2022, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bob-loblaw

Trade him to Arizona to play with Kassian.

I was SO pissed when The Flames picked him and he wasn't available to AZ.

Jiri Hrdina · 07-20-2022, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by nieuwy-89

WTF happened in the dressing room at the end of the season? This group seemed so tight this year. This is certainly a low point for the organization, coming off one of its best seasons.

Winning masks a lot of issues.

Mull · 07-20-2022, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, sure, but hope isn't much to go on, and a lot of teams don't have the assets to make an offer sheet.

Ok, thank you- wouldn't of it made more sense then to wait to the last possible date to file? I thought they did it a little early.

Or offer sheets only can occur after that date?

SuperMatt18 · 07-20-2022, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

This disaster was created by Treliving with the absolutely stupid 3 year contract, he had the hammer and handed it to Tkachuk on a golden platter.

He did the same with Mangiapane, could have had him on a reasonable long term contract but now he's a $5.5m player.

Good GM's lock up their good young players when they have the hammer, for some reason Treliving stopped doing that.

It's exactly what Tampa did.

They gave Kucherov 3 years at $4.8M the same offseason we locked up Gaudreau for 6 years, and they gave Point 3 years at $6.75M the same offseason we signed Tkachuk for 3 years. Seems to have worked out fine for them.

Winning and marketplace makes a big difference.

The sad part is that Flames actually had a really good season...and it still didn't make a difference.

CSharp · 07-20-2022, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

I seriously can’t believe Eric ####ing Francis was right. #### me

It's like flipping a coin. It's either he's right or he's wrong. It just makes him look less of an idiot when he is right for once

I think a lot of us predicted that outcome.

Ashes · 07-20-2022, 02:12 PM

I mostly just feel bad for the Ben Jones and Kevin Rooney's of the world. Came here looking to compete next year.. feels bad man.

djsFlames · 07-20-2022, 02:13 PM

Its ok we'll sign MacKinnon and Matthews next summer.

*easy button*

blankall · 07-20-2022, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OldDutch

This is a blessing in disguise. We lost two players that I believe wouldn’t have reproduced their magic to the same level again. Even if both stayed.

That magic included another less than stellar off season. JG less so that Chucky but both not what you want for 10MM each.

I think Markstrom needs to be shopped as well. He is only coming down and a GM may bet on the Vezina nod as a marker of elite. Which he can be but dude is cursed against the Oilers of all teams. We need to beat them to go anywhere for the next few years.

The only question, full rebuild or re-tool. Tough call. Getting 1st overall next year would set us up but its a long long shot. Re-Tool not sure I want Tre on that, but his drafting has been the best the Flames have done. So maybe him not touching any FA will allow him to focus on his strengths

The Flames have a huge opportunity to load up in a stacked draft.

2 possibilities I see are:

1. Retool. This would likely require at 1-2 major pieces coming in. Guys like Tarasenko and Huberdeau. I don't think I like this idea. We all know the Flames' history on committing to rebuilds. The Flames also have basically all of the pieces they need to contend....except a couple of star forwards. So the team may feel pressured to cram some option B in, which likely won't work out.

2. Total rebuild. The Flames have a relatively large amount of guys that could bring back potentially 1sts or descent prospects: Toffoli, Coleman, Lindholm, Tanev, Markstrom, etc...then question becomes how deep do you go, do you move out guys like Hanifin or possibly Anderson and Mangiapane. The Flames could find themselves with many firsts in a deep draft.

The Flames should also be showcasing some of their trade bait, that likely has repressed numbers due to be being buried in the Gaudreau show. For example, turn Toffoli back into a 30 goal/60 point player.

PeteMoss · 07-20-2022, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashes

I mostly just feel bad for the Ben Jones and Kevin Rooney's of the world. Came here looking to compete next year.. feels bad man.

ha.. i'm sure they are more than happy they'll get to play most games rather than sitting in a press box.

littlereddevil · 07-20-2022, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Drunk Uncle

Personally I hope the trade is to the Rangers centric around Chytil & K. Miller. Both young good players with room to grow in two key positions you want to build around and we are weak in terms of prospect depth.

I'd try to avoid American born players if possible, especially if they'd be leaving a contender and large market like the Rangers (and remember that Miller has to re-sign after next year, so who's to say he won't try and leave after 1 season). Sure, they may not be like Gaudreau or Tkachuk, but what kind of American player would be willing to play for Calgary right now?

Personally, if I were entertaining trade offers from the Rangers, I'd be looking at Othmann as a minimum. That kid's going to be a star.