2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

He’s a legit top line centre which is amongst the toughest things to find
There are way more wingers that can do the job on the top line even if tkachuk is one of the best
A top line winger has the approximate value of a second line centre in my view.
I have a feeling you are setting the bar for a return for tkachuk raally high so no matter what the trade is it will feed your narrative that BT sucks

I have a feeling that a team could have JT Miller or Elias Petterson or Scheifele or Kyrou or Hughes or Kopitar or Pavelski as their number one center next year instead of Eichel and not see a major noticable difference from their number one center.

I have a feeling if the Flames replaced Tkachuk with Bratt or Bertuzzi or Keller or Kilorn or any of a list of wingers who are 30-40 in the league there would be a substantial difference.

[Since1984]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

He’s a legit top line centre which is amongst the toughest things to find
There are way more wingers that can do the job on the top line even if Tkachuk is one of the best
A top line winger has the approximate value of a second line centre in my view.
I have a feeling you are setting the bar for a return for Tkachuk really high so no matter what the trade is it will feed your narrative that BT sucks

Coming off a serious neck injury, repaired with a surgery that has been used only a very small amount of the time for athletes in a contact sport, and never done for a hockey player.

Tkachuk brings more than just a top line winger to your team, he brings the best penalty drawing ability in the league with him.

The deal in my mind should bear a bunch of semblance to the Eichel deal. Instead of getting that great center prospect like Peyton Krebs they get a top winger prospect...the rest should be a wash.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I mean Eichel also had the whole is his neck permanently damaged piece to it.

He also had a contract.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I have a feeling that a team could have JT Miller or Elias Petterson or Scheifele or Kyrou or Hughes or Kopitar or Pavelski as their number one center next year instead of Eichel and not see a major noticable difference from their number one center.

I have a feeling if the Flames replaced Tkachuk with Bratt or Bertuzzi or Keller or Kilorn or any of a list of wingers who are 30-40 in the league there would be a substantial difference.

Who knows. Prior to this last year Tkachuk was around a PPG. Which is where 3 of those wingers are (not Killorn) . Who's to say they wouldn't produce the same with Gaudreau/Lindholm, given they had a lot less to work with (similar to Tkachuk before last season).

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I like how the one team not putting up a serious bid are the Leaf fans. "Our 5th and 10th best players, but I don't know... I feel like Calgary needs to add".

They remember the other trades between the two teams lol.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

From Reddit (take it for what it is), but here is a compiled list of how other teams view his value:

Sens - Debrincat + or Batherson, Zaitsev: Not enough. Need to step up their game.

Sabres- Cozens, Peterka, 1st, pick/prospect: Intriguing. If that pick/prospect were Ostlund or Kulich, then that would be hard to turn down. Three really good future pieces and a lottery selection in 2023? Tough to beat.

Wings- Vrana, Veleno, Wallinder, 1st: Not much interest.

Blues- Kyrou, Krug, 1st: Need more to be competitive. The 1st s going to be a late 1st rounder. Add in Neighbors and this would be really tempting.

Leafs- Nylander, Holl/Sandin/Pick: Need way more.

Jets- Scheifele, Heinola, Vesalainen, 1st: Not much interest.

Penguins- Legare/Poulin/Pickering (pick 2), 1st, 1st: Not a strong offer.

Isles- Beauvillier, Wahlstrom, Raty, 1st, 2nd: Interesting proposal here. Two immediate pieces then three futures.

Canes- Teravainen, Necas, 1st, 1st/2nd, prospect: Another very interesting proposal that addresses the immediate need and the future. Picks are going to be lower in the 1st round, so that must be taken into consideration.

Devils- Bratt? (Point of contention) or Yegor + Holtz + 1st: Another offer that is a great start and close to what I would expect. I would prefer that it be Mercer over Sharangovich, but Holtz and 1st would be pretty good building blocks.

Rangers- Kakko, Lindgren, 1st, 1st: Not sure what to think here. Not a Kakko fan at all. Would hope we could do better.

Bruins- DeBrusk, Lysell, 1st, 1st: Meh?

Ducks- Zellweger, Perreault, Comtois, 1st: Could do better from them. They're offering up a whole bunch of their second best and hoping that gets it done. Would need to have a stud in return. I'd target McTavish and go from there.

Habs- Suzuki/Caufield, Barron/Guhle, 1st: Not enough.

I would suggest that we the Canes, Sabres and Devils have the best offers on the table from those and the Flames should be good with either of those. The Blues and the Islanders worthy of listening to.

[savardandjokinen]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

From Reddit (take it for what it is), but here is a compiled list of how other teams view his value:

Sens - Debrincat + or Batherson, Zaitsev

Sabres- Cozens, Peterka, 1st, pick/prospect

Wings- Vrana, Veleno, Wallinder, 1st

Blues- Kyrou, Krug, 1st

Leafs- Nylander, Holl/Sandin/Pick

Jets- Scheifele, Heinola, Vesalainen, 1st

Penguins- Legare/Poulin/Pickering (pick 2), 1st, 1st

Isles- Beauvillier, Wahlstrom, Raty, 1st, 2nd

Canes- Teravainen, Necas, 1st, 1st/2nd, prospect

Devils- Bratt? (Point of contention) or Yegor + Holtz + 1st

Rangers- Kakko, Lindgren, 1st, 1st

Bruins- DeBrusk, Lysell, 1st, 1st

Ducks- Zellweger, Perreault, Comtois, 1st

Habs- Suzuki/Caufield, Barron/Guhle, 1st

As much as I like Tkachuk if some of these offers were to be on the table you have to sell high on him. Sabres, Jets, Canes, Devils and Habs specifically

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Since1984

Coming off a serious neck injury, repaired with a surgery that has been used only a very small amount of the time for athletes in a contact sport, and never done for a hockey player.

Tkachuk brings more than just a top line winger to your team, he brings the best penalty drawing ability in the league with him.

The deal in my mind should bear a bunch of semblance to the Eichel deal. Instead of getting that great center prospect like Peyton Krebs they get a top winger prospect...the rest should be a wash.

I agree that the Eichel deal is the right framework and approximate value
I just wouldn’t expect more

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

He also had a contract.

I think it is pretty safe to say if a team is trading for Tkachuk they will sign him shortly.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I think it is pretty safe to say if a team is trading for Tkachuk they will sign him shortly.

I think that's correct. it just means that the trade partners may be very limited, or even not at all.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think that's correct. it just means that the trade partners may be very limited, or even not at all.

If a team ships out 5Mish as a part of the trade to Calgary, most of the league could be in on this.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I agree that the Eichel deal is the right framework and approximate value
I just wouldn’t expect more

I think Eichel is the market for this trade.

Tuch + Krebs + 1st + 2nd

How that breaks down into value this summer will be interesting. I think either of Holtz + 1st + 2nd or Sanderson + 1st + 2nd gets it done, but those 2nd rounders may be 1st rounders based on how people perceived Krebs + Tuch as being valued.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

If a team ships out 5Mish as a part of the trade to Calgary, most of the league could be in on this.

Yeah, I almost assume any trade involves taking back some decent salary in return. Or a similar RFA.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

If a team ships out 5Mish as a part of the trade to Calgary, most of the league could be in on this.

problem is it has to be a team where Tkachuk would extend. That will winnow down the number of teams considerably.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

problem is it has to be a team where Tkachuk would extend. That will winnow down the number of teams considerably.

I think his sphere of acceptable teams is pretty wide. StL is the boyhood dream for him, but I think he's OK in lots of places, including tax havens, big cities, etc.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think that's correct. it just means that the trade partners may be very limited, or even not at all.

All they really need is two seriously interested teams that Tkachuk will sign with and the value will be decent. If Tkachuk says St Louis or bust then the Flames will be lucky to get Kyrou. I also think Tkachuk is smart enough to lock in a contract after his last season.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Sens - Debrincat + or Batherson, Zaitsev: Not enough. Need to step up their game.

Sabres- Cozens, Peterka, 1st, pick/prospect: Intriguing. If that pick/prospect were Ostlund or Kulich, then that would be hard to turn down. Three really good future pieces and a lottery selection in 2023? Tough to beat.

Wings- Vrana, Veleno, Wallinder, 1st: Not much interest.

Blues- Kyrou, Krug, 1st: Need more to be competitive. The 1st s going to be a late 1st rounder. Add in Neighbors and this would be really tempting.

Leafs- Nylander, Holl/Sandin/Pick: Need way more.

Jets- Scheifele, Heinola, Vesalainen, 1st: Not much interest.

Penguins- Legare/Poulin/Pickering (pick 2), 1st, 1st: Not a strong offer.

Isles- Beauvillier, Wahlstrom, Raty, 1st, 2nd: Interesting proposal here. Two immediate pieces then three futures.

Canes- Teravainen, Necas, 1st, 1st/2nd, prospect: Another very interesting proposal that addresses the immediate need and the future. Picks are going to be lower in the 1st round, so that must be taken into consideration.

Devils- Bratt? (Point of contention) or Yegor + Holtz + 1st: Another offer that is a great start and close to what I would expect. I would prefer that it be Mercer over Sharangovich, but Holtz and 1st would be pretty good building blocks.

Rangers- Kakko, Lindgren, 1st, 1st: Not sure what to think here. Not a Kakko fan at all. Would hope we could do better.

Bruins- DeBrusk, Lysell, 1st, 1st: Meh?

Ducks- Zellweger, Perreault, Comtois, 1st: Could do better from them. They're offering up a whole bunch of their second best and hoping that gets it done. Would need to have a stud in return. I'd target McTavish and go from there.

Habs- Suzuki/Caufield, Barron/Guhle, 1st: Not enough.

I would suggest that we the Canes, Sabres and Devils have the best offers on the table from those and the Flames should be good with either of those. The Blues and the Islanders worthy of listening to.

If we got some of those I'd be pumped, team could turn out better than it is currently.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by DJones

If we got some of those I'd be pumped, team could turn out better than it is currently.

I think it’s fantasy to believe there are more than a couple destinations he’s willing to sign long term to.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Sens - Debrincat + or Batherson, Zaitsev: Not enough. Need to step up their game.

Sabres- Cozens, Peterka, 1st, pick/prospect: Intriguing. If that pick/prospect were Ostlund or Kulich, then that would be hard to turn down. Three really good future pieces and a lottery selection in 2023? Tough to beat.

Wings- Vrana, Veleno, Wallinder, 1st: Not much interest.

Blues- Kyrou, Krug, 1st: Need more to be competitive. The 1st s going to be a late 1st rounder. Add in Neighbors and this would be really tempting.

Leafs- Nylander, Holl/Sandin/Pick: Need way more.

Jets- Scheifele, Heinola, Vesalainen, 1st: Not much interest.

Penguins- Legare/Poulin/Pickering (pick 2), 1st, 1st: Not a strong offer.

Isles- Beauvillier, Wahlstrom, Raty, 1st, 2nd: Interesting proposal here. Two immediate pieces then three futures.

Canes- Teravainen, Necas, 1st, 1st/2nd, prospect: Another very interesting proposal that addresses the immediate need and the future. Picks are going to be lower in the 1st round, so that must be taken into consideration.

Devils- Bratt? (Point of contention) or Yegor + Holtz + 1st: Another offer that is a great start and close to what I would expect. I would prefer that it be Mercer over Sharangovich, but Holtz and 1st would be pretty good building blocks.

Rangers- Kakko, Lindgren, 1st, 1st: Not sure what to think here. Not a Kakko fan at all. Would hope we could do better.

Bruins- DeBrusk, Lysell, 1st, 1st: Meh?

Ducks- Zellweger, Perreault, Comtois, 1st: Could do better from them. They're offering up a whole bunch of their second best and hoping that gets it done. Would need to have a stud in return. I'd target McTavish and go from there.

Habs- Suzuki/Caufield, Barron/Guhle, 1st: Not enough.

I would suggest that we the Canes, Sabres and Devils have the best offers on the table from those and the Flames should be good with either of those. The Blues and the Islanders worthy of listening to.

The Habs one if it is Suzuki is not a terrible offer. Suzuki is a 22 year old center signed for another 8 years and has had 3 NHL seasons where he has had 0.58 PPG, 0.73 PPG and 0.74 PPG and as best I understand not bad in the defensive zone for a young center. Barron does not interest me much, but Guhle could be an interesting piece, good skater who is physical. The first rounder for the Habs is likely a lottery pick this year.

Suzuki being that young and signed longterm would be interesting to me. I suspect he gets better, likely topping out with a few years above a PPG.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Yoho

I think it’s fantasy to believe there are more than a couple destinations he’s willing to sign long term to.

In a world where Johnny G signs long term with the Blue Jackets, I would venture a guess that more teams are interested in shooting their shot than ever before.