07-20-2022, 09:18 AM
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#2621
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Not Beltline
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Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan
I have seen enough of Mercer. I think that's a slam dunk.
I like Bratt more than most, but I have watched him a ton too. Holtz would be the unknown for me.
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Hockey Prospecting has Holtz and Mercer projecting very similarly, both should stick in the NHL and have a moderate chance of becoming a star.
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07-20-2022, 09:20 AM
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#2622
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Franchise Player
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Tkachuk isn’t returning more than the Sabres got for Eichel.
Good young 2nd line winger.
Recent 10-20 OA pick.
Late 1st round pick.
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07-20-2022, 09:22 AM
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#2623
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Kalispell, Montana
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BeltlineFan
Hockey Prospecting has Holtz and Mercer projecting very similarly, both should stick in the NHL and have a moderate chance of becoming a star.
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Well, yeah. I know what the projections are. I was simply pointing out that Mercer passed the eye test for me...and easily. Holtz hasn't had the opportunity yet.
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07-20-2022, 09:23 AM
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#2624
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
Tkachuk isn’t returning more than the Sabres got for Eichel.
Good young 2nd line winger.
Recent 10-20 OA pick.
Late 1st round pick.
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I mean Eichel also had the whole is his neck permanently damaged piece to it.
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07-20-2022, 09:28 AM
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#2625
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Eichel had a career high of 82 points (2018-2019). We should be getting a better package for Tkachuk
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07-20-2022, 09:34 AM
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#2626
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon
Eichel had a career high of 82 points (2018-2019). We should be getting a better package for Tkachuk
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There is that too, Tkachuk is a demonstrably better hockey player than Eichel.
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07-20-2022, 09:35 AM
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#2627
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
Tkachuk isn’t returning more than the Sabres got for Eichel.
Good young 2nd line winger.
Recent 10-20 OA pick.
Late 1st round pick.
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Good young 2nd line winger? I raise you an elite young 1st line winger.
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07-20-2022, 09:36 AM
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#2628
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#1 Goaltender
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From Reddit (take it for what it is), but here is a compiled list of how other teams view his value:
Sens - Debrincat + or Batherson, Zaitsev
Sabres- Cozens, Peterka, 1st, pick/prospect
Wings- Vrana, Veleno, Wallinder, 1st
Blues- Kyrou, Krug, 1st
Leafs- Nylander, Holl/Sandin/Pick
Jets- Scheifele, Heinola, Vesalainen, 1st
Penguins- Legare/Poulin/Pickering (pick 2), 1st, 1st
Isles- Beauvillier, Wahlstrom, Raty, 1st, 2nd
Canes- Teravainen, Necas, 1st, 1st/2nd, prospect
Devils- Bratt? (Point of contention) or Yegor + Holtz + 1st
Rangers- Kakko, Lindgren, 1st, 1st
Bruins- DeBrusk, Lysell, 1st, 1st
Ducks- Zellweger, Perreault, Comtois, 1st
Habs- Suzuki/Caufield, Barron/Guhle, 1st
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07-20-2022, 09:37 AM
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#2629
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
Tkachuk isn’t returning more than the Sabres got for Eichel.
Good young 2nd line winger.
Recent 10-20 OA pick.
Late 1st round pick.
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When is Tkachuks post trade, never performed in a hockey player, potentially career altering spine surgery taking place?
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07-20-2022, 09:38 AM
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#2630
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbull8
From Reddit (take it for what it is), but here is a compiled list of how other teams view his value:
Sens - Debrincat + or Batherson, Zaitsev
Sabres- Cozens, Peterka, 1st, pick/prospect
Wings- Vrana, Veleno, Wallinder, 1st
Blues- Kyrou, Krug, 1st
Leafs- Nylander, Holl/Sandin/Pick
Jets- Scheifele, Heinola, Vesalainen, 1st
Penguins- Legare/Poulin/Pickering (pick 2), 1st, 1st
Isles- Beauvillier, Wahlstrom, Raty, 1st, 2nd
Canes- Teravainen, Necas, 1st, 1st/2nd, prospect
Devils- Bratt? (Point of contention) or Yegor + Holtz + 1st
Rangers- Kakko, Lindgren, 1st, 1st
Bruins- DeBrusk, Lysell, 1st, 1st
Ducks- Zellweger, Perreault, Comtois, 1st
Habs- Suzuki/Caufield, Barron/Guhle, 1st
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Other teams fanbases, for clarity on how insane some of ours appear here.
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07-20-2022, 09:42 AM
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#2631
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
Other teams fanbases, for clarity on how insane some of ours appear here.
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There are some trade packages I would be legitimately excited about there.
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07-20-2022, 09:43 AM
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#2632
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#1 Goaltender
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Buffalo, Canes, Devils, Blues, Habs (seems like this one would never happen though)
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07-20-2022, 09:44 AM
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#2633
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbull8
Habs- Suzuki, Barron/Guhle, 1st
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Sold lol
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07-20-2022, 09:45 AM
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#2634
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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The best is that Bratt is a point of contention for both fanbases for opposite reasons. The Devils fans don’t want to trade him, and Flames fans don’t want him (as part of a Tkachuk return)
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07-20-2022, 09:51 AM
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#2635
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
The best is that Bratt is a point of contention for both fanbases for opposite reasons. The Devils fans don’t want to trade him, and Flames fans don’t want him (as part of a Tkachuk return)
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I wouldn't say I don't want Bratt. I don't want him to be the key piece. If he needs to be included to make the cap work, fine. But key pieces in a trade with NJ should start with at least one of Holtz & Mercer.
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07-20-2022, 09:53 AM
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#2636
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aarongavey
There is that too, Tkachuk is a demonstrably better hockey player than Eichel.
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Eichel though plays a more important position
Wingers are easier to get
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07-20-2022, 09:59 AM
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#2637
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Not Beltline
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Bratt had almost identical production to Kyrou last year, same draft class, both wingers, neither are American, Kyrou is a bit bigger I guess. If I was okay with a Kyrou centrepiece (not saying I am) I'd be okay with a Bratt centrepiece too. You'd also have to think a NJ first would be a lot higher than a St. Louis first.
Granted I don't watch much of either of them play so maybe there's something I'm missing.
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07-20-2022, 10:11 AM
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#2638
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Eichel though plays a more important position
Wingers are easier to get
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I guess. Off the top of my head, I would say the following centers are better than Eichel
McDavid
Draisaitl
MacKinnon
Matthews
Stamkos
Point
Barkov
Lindholm
Crosby
Zibanajed
Aho
Past there you have a whole host that one can debate who is better (IMO) including
Bergeron
Scheifele
Miller
Tavares
Thomas
Kopitar
Pavelski
Soon to be Jack Hughes
I would say you have a pretty reasonable case to say that there are at least 10 centers who are better than Eichel, maybe as high as 15. Since there are twice as many wingers, I think one would be hard pressed to put together a list of 20-30 wingers that are better than Tkachuk.
Center is an important position, but if you are talking about a 200 foot game, at least 30% of the time, maybe even higher, Eichel will not be the best center on the ice in any given game. It is not like the guy is a top 5 center in the league.
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07-20-2022, 10:14 AM
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#2639
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Franchise Player
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He’s a legit top line centre which is amongst the toughest things to find
There are way more wingers that can do the job on the top line even if tkachuk is one of the best
A top line winger has the approximate value of a second line centre in my view.
I have a feeling you are setting the bar for a return for tkachuk raally high so no matter what the trade is it will feed your narrative that BT sucks
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07-20-2022, 10:19 AM
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#2640
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Franchise Player
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^^^^ Isles, Canes, Habs (maybe Buffalo) coming in with serious fan based offers. I like how the one team not putting up a serious bid are the Leaf fans. "Our 5th and 10th best players, but I don't know... I feel like Calgary needs to add".
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