[News] UPD: Tkachuk arbitration hearing set for Aug 11

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

For a Canadian team, I like the strategy Ottawa is employing. But it is not without its risks. Edmonton 2.0 is a good example. But the bottom line for them is that they are now married to that group of young players, for better or worse. And better is not a guarantee.

Ottawa wasn't really a strategy though. They just fell into it. They traded a 1st round pick that ended up being 4th overall in 2019 - which they clearly did not expect to be anywhere near that high in the draft (or else they wouldn't have traded it)

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Ottawa wasn't really a strategy though. They just fell into it. They traded a 1st round pick that ended up being 4th overall in 2019 - which they clearly did not expect to be anywhere near that high in the draft (or else they wouldn't have traded it)

But then they were rewarded the same way in the Karlsson deal with Stutzle AND they gave them Norris too.

What a trade to set them up.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Ottawa wasn't really a strategy though. They just fell into it. They traded a 1st round pick that ended up being 4th overall in 2019 - which they clearly did not expect to be anywhere near that high in the draft (or else they wouldn't have traded it)

Making a mistake does not mean they don't have a plan

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Hackey

The strategy is fine. It requires some luck though. Edmonton got those three 1st rounders in a row at a terrible time. They landed some very average 1st overalls.

Hall
RNH
Yakupov.

If they drafted the 3 years before they get...
Kane, Stamkos, Tavares.
The next 3 drafts after are...
McKinnon, Ekblad, McDavid.

If you have either of those trios and manage your team semi well you should become an elite team.

Personally I don't think Ottawa drafted a good enough core. They have some good players but they are shelling out money to guys who so far don't look like they are elite. So their team will likely improve and become a decent hockey club but I don't think they become a true contender with that core.

How long are you supposed to tank until you fluke into an elite talent?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And late 1sts are not as valuable as some fans want to believe.

Would you trade a 100 point 24 year old for Zary and Pelletier and Coronato?

One year of that 24 year old? Sure I guess so.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Hackey

The strategy is fine. It requires some luck though. Edmonton got those three 1st rounders in a row at a terrible time. They landed some very average 1st overalls.

Hall
RNH
Yakupov.

If they drafted the 3 years before they get...
Kane, Stamkos, Tavares.
The next 3 drafts after are...
McKinnon, Ekblad, McDavid.

If you have either of those trios and manage your team semi well you should become an elite team.

It sucks that they have McDrai... but thank you lordie lordie that they don't also have MacKinnon. What a disaster that would have been for us.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

How long are you supposed to tank until you fluke into an elite talent?

I've always been a big proponent of being proactive with your rebuild so your rebuild has depth. If you suck for 2-4 years and get a couple top 5 picks and a couple top 10 picks then hopefully you get an elite start or two out of that. Maybe another high end player or two. Then you have all the extra currency you accumulated through selling off which should help you balance out your roster. Prospects, extra drafted players, currency used in trade, etc. So if you're proactive, well managed, and have a bit of luck, you should be able to turn it around fast. If the Rangers top picks would have turned out better that would be a scary good team.

[littlereddevil]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

It sucks that they have McDrai... but thank you lordie lordie that they don't also have MacKinnon. What a disaster that would have been for us.

Well we can be partly reassured now that it's basically impossible for teams to get three #1 overall picks in a row.

Thanks Edmonton... this is why we can't have nice things.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Anaheim told their UFAs that they needed to re-sign before the trade deadline or be traded. Some re-signed, some were traded. It wasn't a contractual drop dead deadline, but a franchise imposed one.

It was a league-imposed deadline, as it was the latest date that trading them for meaningful assets was an option.

Trading Gaudreau for meaningful assets at the draft was not an option. Trading Tkachuk for meaningful assets was an option and still is, and moreover, what the Flames get for Tkachuk is none of Gaudreau's concern.

If the Flames had tried to set a deadline of draft day, Gaudreau would have had absolutely nothing to lose by just ignoring it.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

It sucks that they have McDrai... but thank you lordie lordie that they don't also have MacKinnon. What a disaster that would have been for us.

Imagine having 3 top picks and then a bonus one. Imagine having even 1 of those things. Imagine if we just had one top 3 pick in the team's history. Imagine even just being able to retain the home run picks your scouting staff drums up. Imagine.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Anaheim told their UFAs that they needed to re-sign before the trade deadline or be traded. Some re-signed, some were traded. It wasn't a contractual drop dead deadline, but a franchise imposed one.

The Flames could have done that with Gaudreau. They could have drawn a line in the sand and stuck with it. I have the impression they are doing that with Tkachuk.

That's actually good strategy. This way you are either keeping your assets or getting something in return.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

Anaheim told their UFAs that they needed to re-sign before the trade deadline or be traded. Some re-signed, some were traded. It wasn't a contractual drop dead deadline, but a franchise imposed one.

The Flames could have done that with Gaudreau. They could have drawn a line in the sand and stuck with it. I have the impression they are doing that with Tkachuk.

I think Calgary was desperate to give Gaudreau every single minute he needed to think this out because they knew the house of cards would fall if Gaudreau left the team - hence now all the rumors of Tkachuk and others wanting out.

[Atodaso]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

I think Calgary was desperate to give Gaudreau every single minute he needed to think this out because they knew the house of cards would fall if Gaudreau left the team - hence now all the rumors of Tkachuk and others wanting out.

Have I missed something? Who are these "others" that want out?

[White Out 403]

rejection stings. what a miserable off season for western canada.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Hackey

The strategy is fine. It requires some luck though. Edmonton got those three 1st rounders in a row at a terrible time. They landed some very average 1st overalls.

Hall
RNH
Yakupov.

If they drafted the 3 years before they get...
Kane, Stamkos, Tavares.
The next 3 drafts after are...
McKinnon, Ekblad, McDavid.

If you have either of those trios and manage your team semi well you should become an elite team.

Personally I don't think Ottawa drafted a good enough core. They have some good players but they are shelling out money to guys who so far don't look like they are elite. So their team will likely improve and become a decent hockey club but I don't think they become a true contender with that core.

They've also changed the draft rules, so it's more or less impossible to draft multiple first overalls in a row. There's a lot more parity in the league now.

Tanking will only get it 3 or so top 5 picks. Then you have to do the rest through good depth drafting, trades, free agent signings, and asset management.

A future Flames tank would look a lot more like their previous rebuild then the Oilers tank job.

[tvp2003]

Sigh, wake me up when Tkachuk is either traded or re-signed. I’ve had enough Flames drama this month.

It’s his choice, if he doesn’t want to be here then he can throw his Flames legacy in the garbage too because I’m sure Treliving has/will make a more than generous offer.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

I think Calgary was desperate to give Gaudreau every single minute he needed to think this out because they knew the house of cards would fall if Gaudreau left the team - hence now all the rumors of Tkachuk and others wanting out.

lol.

Jesus, I think some of you guys must get off on the negativity circle jerk. It’s embarrassing.

[Manhattanboy]

So Bradley.

Tell the class what you did last summer.

[BigRed]

He needs to sign long term somewhere now. Why would he waste his best season ever on a QO? Another season without JG won’t yield comparable numbers. He’s in his best position to cash in right now. Unless they trade him to Columbus. Then a one year deal is to his benefit


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[AC]

Yeah I have to think Tkachuk should realize signing a long-term deal after his last season hitting 104 points with Gaudreau would make the most sense. It'll be hard to replicate that again. If he signs a 1 year deal and drops back down to 60-80 point production? Could cost him a lot of money.

But if he wants out in general, then so be it. I'm not convinced he's about to be traded yet based on the vague speculation that's fueling it right now. It seems like it's the local media guys saying "Oh, well without Gaudreau why would Tkachuk stay? Surely he's going to bolt just like Gaudreau did so they're probably going to trade him." Could be the reality, but there haven't been any actual reports mixed in that he's asked to be traded or that the Flames are shopping him, right?

Being named captain and locking in long-term would be cool too. Either way, I think the Flames are prepared for either posibility.