[News] UPD: Tkachuk arbitration hearing set for Aug 11

[miraisoup]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

Has there been anything from Lebrun or Friedman on this yet? I keep waiting for some kind of insider knowledge. Are they actively negotiating with Tkachuk's camp?

Pat said they put a large offer on the table

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Is it true we cant trade him after the arbitration ? IE we cant hold onto him until the trade deadline?

No, that's not true.

The only thing that would have prevented trading him would have been if he signed a one-year offer sheet (similar to what Carolina did last year with Kotkaniemi) and the Flames matched it. That would have been the worst case scenario because the Flames would have either needed to match and not been able to trade him for a year (which would have taken him to UFA) or let him go and take the compensation (not the worst option since compensation would have been at least 3 draft picks).

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Can someone please summarize the timelines.

Is a new contract or a trade imminent?

Last I heard Chucky was in Europe with the fam.

Appreciated.

The dates for the arbitration cases should be announced sometime today. The hearing could be scheduled any day from July 27 to August 11.

The Flames and Tkachuk are free to continue negotiating the terms on a new deal up until the start of the hearing.

Once the hearing starts, both sides are required to abide by the arbitrator's ruling on a one-year deal. Because the Flames elected for arbitration, they won't have walk-away rights, although they could buy out the contract if they really hated it -- but that won't happen at that price.

If Tkachuk is dead-set on leaving Calgary ASAP, he can just wait out the hearing and play out the one year contract. That would be worst-case for both sides and it would be in everyone's best interest to work out a trade with a team where he would be willing to sign long-term.


Either way, this should be resolved by August 11. If it does go to the arbitrator's ruling, the Flames will still be able to trade him at any point up to July 1 next year.


I'd guess the arbitrator's ruling is the least-likely outcome. More likely is a long-term contract signing prior to the hearing date -- either with the Flames or negotiated as part of a trade deal with another preferred team.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Not that there are any silver linings really, but I do think the events of the summer does give Brad the green light to openly shop Tkachuk. They need to get a bidding war, or at least a skirmish going.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't understand why the Flames shouldn't get a massive return for Tkachuk.

I would be happy with the Eichel trade as a template. An NHL player with potential for more, prospect that could pop, and draft picks.

[AC]

Kyrou and Neighbours would be my starting point if trading with STL.

Kyrou is already a borderline star, Neighbours was actually compared to Tkachuk leading up to the draft IIRC.

[flamesrule_kipper34]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1549454854744989697

[FiveSeven]

If 19 doesn’t sign long term I sure hope they trade him before the season and not at the deadline. I’d hate seeing him here knowing he’s leaving asap. Just rip the bandaid off.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by flamesrule_kipper34

https://twitter.com/user/status/1549454854744989697

Not sure how this works as if he agrees to sign long term wouldn't the other team just take that info and wait until next season?

Especially if he has limited places he is willing to sign.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Makes sense. I don't think the offer sheet scenario was actually a bad one for the Flames. If Chucky is hell bent on not playing here, he'd never sign one, because he knows that puts control back in Calgary's court on matching. Sure he could demand a trade, but that's a terrible path for both parties, so he'd never do that IMO unless he was ok with Calgary matching and staying here.

The nightmare offer sheet scenario I was thinking of was St. Louis signing him to a one year 9.8 million dollar deal (or Tkachuk possibly doing them a solid and signing for 8.4 million for one year). In that scenario under the 9.8 the Flames get two firsts, a second and a third. In the 8.4 scenario they get a first, second and a third. The Blues sign him to a 8 year contract on Jan 1st. If the Flames match they cannot trade him. That would be the nightmare scenario.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Not sure how this works as if he agrees to sign long term wouldn't the other team just take that info and wait until next season?

Especially if he has limited places he is willing to sign.

That's definitely a risk, but say STL and OTT are 2 of the teams for obvious reasons. If STL thinks they can wait until he walks as a free agent, you say fine we'll trade him to OTT to sign long-term to play with his brother.

Chances are STL and OTT would both prefer to trade assets and ensure they get exclusive negotiating rights with him I would think.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Not sure how this works as if he agrees to sign long term wouldn't the other team just take that info and wait until next season?

Especially if he has limited places he is willing to sign.

Yeah - there's 2 kind of trades.

If the Flames want to let the team talk with Tkachuk so they can get a bigger return - go for it.

But there are also just straight rental trades. Its not like the Flames talked with Jarnkrok before they traded for him.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

They would only trade to a location where Chucky would re-sign.

The return should be significant.

Not if it’s only one team and they know it.

[AC]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1549466166707486722

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by AC

That's definitely a risk, but say STL and OTT are 2 of the teams for obvious reasons. If STL thinks they can wait until he walks as a free agent, you say fine we'll trade him to OTT to sign long-term to play with his brother.

Chances are STL and OTT would both prefer to trade assets and ensure they get exclusive negotiating rights with him I would think.

Well and if Tkachuk is willing to sign longterm in multiple places, the team that trades for him gets him for 8 years. The team that does not trade for him keeps their assets and does not get Tkachuk. If Tkachuk is only willing to sign in one city the Flames are in a real tough spot. Hopefully he has multiple places where he would sign longterm this summer in.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Not sure how this works as if he agrees to sign long term wouldn't the other team just take that info and wait until next season?

Especially if he has limited places he is willing to sign.

Wouldn't the acquiring team (now) be the only team able to sign Tkachuk to an 8 year deal and possibly lower his cap hit? Definitely an incentive. Additionally, you'd get 9 seasons of Tkachuk instead of 7.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Not sure how this works as if he agrees to sign long term wouldn't the other team just take that info and wait until next season?

Especially if he has limited places he is willing to sign.

I’m not sure why people always have this opinion, but a season matters. For some GMs that’s anywhere from 15-25% of their tenure. If someone thinks they can trade for Tkachuk and get him signed to an extension this year and have him in the team helping them this year, why wouldn’t they?

If you don’t trade for him, you also risk him signing elsewhere. Everyone thought Gaudreau was going to NJ or Philly. He went to Columbus. Not sure about Philly but NJ obviously wanted them, and I’m sure they’d have appreciated the extra time to lock him in.

[PeteMoss]

I highly doubt Tkachuk is that beholden to St.Louis.

The buy moved out of there when he was 16 to go play with US national program and then played junior in London. His family is rich rich as well between his dad and brother. All things being equal - I'm sure St.Louis would win but I really doubt he cares that much. His dad played all over the place and got traded a boatload of times.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well if he signed the QO they would have a year to work the trade market. Going to arbitration reduces that window to a matter of weeks.

He signs the QO and no team can negotiate with him until Jan 1st I believe.

Since that would come and go Friday, this gives them way more time to find a trade partner that has time to talk contract.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Tkachuk trades targets.

Anaheim: Mason McTavish, Adam Henrique, 1st round pick.

Buffalo: Jack Quinn, Josh Bloom, Kyle Okposo, 1st round pick.

Ottawa: Josh Norris, Lassi Thomson, 1st round pick

Islanders: Noah Dobson, Brock Nelson, 1st round pick

Detroit: Lucas Raymond, Jakub Vrana, 1st round pick

Seattle: Shane Wright, Jared McCann, 1st round pick

New Jersey: Dawson Mercer, Ryan Graves, Thomas Tatar, 1st round pick (Grave+Tatar for cap)

St. Louis: Neighbors, Kyrou, Tarasenko, 1st (Neighbors+Kyrou to make up for the lower quality prospect)

Not an easy thing to try and throw together and feel good about what you are getting back or then have to deal.

[Yoho]

How did Ott sign Brady long term jeez?