[News] UPD: Tkachuk arbitration hearing set for Aug 11

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

well I would guess it's because last seasons team is finished and gone, whatever the Flames put on the Ice next season is a rebuild the only question is how much of one

Sure, but if the narrative were true, it would not even have been possible to have a season like the last one. Not having done a complete scorched-earth rebuild, the Flames had no business finishing higher than a wild-card seed.

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

If Tkachuk was focused on maximizing his earnings I think somehow getting a three year deal, taking him to UFA as a 27 year old when the escrow payment is expected to be repaid and the cap jumps and teams have cap space due to that jump is his best bet.

It's somewhat risky because of the chance of injury, and also because the business of professional sport is not in good shape overall, but I believe you're right about this.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by AC

https://twitter.com/user/status/1549272578916634625

https://twitter.com/user/status/1549276704698355712

Wow it’s not definitive but with multiple Calgary
media saying the same thing, maybe the writing is on the wall? Will be tough to get equal value for Tkachuk due to his age and production in my opinion. Especially after losing Gaudreau, Calgary has to do whatever it takes to keep Tkachuk. A 1st and good prospect would be part of the deal in a trade imo but I wonder how good of a roster player a team would send back as well knowing he could sign with whomever he wanted next summer if a deal wasn’t worked out.

[OptimalTates]

Last season was the perfect storm of everything coming together except for the injuries to Monahan. You had the best top line making 20M for one of the best bang for your bucks in the salary cap era (non ELC contracts).

And they still won a single game in the second round while almost getting beat by a wildcard team. Luckily they had Gaudreau to score that OT winner in game 7 so they could even make it to the second round, but he's gone now.

Under Treliving the Flames have 704 points in 618 games, good for 16th in the league during that period. They have made the playoffs 5 out of 8 seasons and advanced beyond the first round once and never made the semi-finals. I'd be curious if you could find a more mediocre team in that period (assuming we mean somewhere between moderate or slightly below average). The Wild? But 7/8 playoffs, far more points than the Flames over that same period. Just another team you expect to fight for the playoff spot and lose quickly should they make it.

There's a lot of worse teams, obviously, but I'm not sure if there's a more "meh" team in the league over the last couple seasons. Sixth overall was a nice regular season, but they faltered in the playoffs and got worse in the off-season.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

well I would guess it's because last seasons team is finished and gone, whatever the Flames put on the Ice next season is a rebuild the only question is how much of one

not true, there are many scenarios in which the Flames are a better team next season...especially a better playoff team

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Last season was the perfect storm of everything coming together except for the injuries to Monahan. You had the best top line making 20M for one of the best bang for your bucks in the salary cap era (non ELC contracts).

And they still won a single game in the second round while almost getting beat by a wildcard team. Luckily they had Gaudreau to score that OT winner in game 7 so they could even make it to the second round, but he's gone now.

Under Treliving the Flames have 704 points in 618 games, good for 16th in the league during that period. They have made the playoffs 5 out of 8 seasons and advanced beyond the first round once. I'd be curious if you could find a more mediocre team in that period.

They have been past the first round twice, which is more than then the previous 24 years

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They have been past the first round twice, which is more than then the previous 24 years

You mean when they won the qualifying round to advance to the first round?

I don't consider that advancing to the second round, just like I don't consider the Oilers making the playoffs that year.

Edit: Oh Canucks year, yeah, Stajan's goal. Forgot that was first year with Treliving. So they have actually won 2 games in the second round under Treliving.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Wow it’s not definitive but with multiple Calgary
media saying the same thing, maybe the writing is on the wall? Will be tough to get equal value for Tkachuk due to his age and production in my opinion. Especially after losing Gaudreau, Calgary has to do whatever it takes to keep Tkachuk. A 1st and good prospect would be part of the deal in a trade imo but I wonder how good of a roster player a team would send back as well knowing he could sign with whomever he wanted next summer if a deal wasn’t worked out.

Would be tough to get equal value due to his age? 24 is a a big year I guess. Old as ####.

[atb]

Detroit would make an interesting trade partner. They have the cap room, good prospects, could see Tkachuk be interested in signing 8 years there being an original 6 team and close to home.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Would be tough to get equal value due to his age? 24 is a a big year I guess. Old as ####.

I wasn’t saying he was old. I was saying because he is only 24 a team would probably not send back a veteran/established player imo. I feel they would send a 1st, good prospect(s) and perhaps a younger roster player who wouldn’t be as good as Tkachuk and Calgary would have to roll the dice and hope in the future it worked out (whoever the prospects were plus the 1st, etc). That’s what I meant by hard to get full value for a younger player.

I said it earlier, their best move is signing him long term.

[mile]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Wow it’s not definitive but with multiple Calgary
media saying the same thing, maybe the writing is on the wall? Will be tough to get equal value for Tkachuk due to his age and production in my opinion. Especially after losing Gaudreau, Calgary has to do whatever it takes to keep Tkachuk. A 1st and good prospect would be part of the deal in a trade imo but I wonder how good of a roster player a team would send back as well knowing he could sign with whomever he wanted next summer if a deal wasn’t worked out.

They’d have to trade him to a team that thinks they have a good shot of signing him.

After reading about Stutzle and his move to centre this year, I would be fine with him as a centerpiece.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by mile

They’d have to trade him to a team that thinks they have a good shot of signing him.

After reading about Stutzle and his move to centre this year, I would be fine with him as a centerpiece.

Senators couldn't afford Tkachuk if Stutzle was the piece coming back though really. They would need to include a decently high cap hit roster player to make it work. Shipped sailed there I think when they acquired DeBrincat at the draft.

[getbak]

Here's every team-elected arbitration case CapFriendly has on record going back to 2008:

• 2008 - PIT/Fleury - Settle: 7 years (re-signed when contract ended)
• 2009 - MIN/Harding - Settle: 1 year (re-signed when contract ended)
• 2010 - BUF/Kaleta - Settle: 2 years (re-signed when contract ended)
• 2010 - BUF/Kennedy - Arbitration: 1 year (bought out 4 days later)
• 2011 - NJD/Parise - Settle: 1 year (went UFA when contract ended)
• 2011 - NSH/Weber - Arbitration: 1 year (signed offer sheet the next year, which was matched)
• 2012 - ANA/Cumiskey - Arbitration: 1 year (player defected to Europe)
• 2012 - TOR/Kulemin - Settle: 2 years (went UFA when contract ended)
• 2012 - VAN/Raymond - Settle: 1 year (went UFA when contract ended)
• 2014 - WPG/Frolik - Settle: 1 year (went UFA when contract ended)
• 2014 - COL/O'Reilly - Settle: 2 years (went UFA when contract ended)
• 2014 - STL/Sobotka - Arbitration: 1 year (player defected to Europe / returned to the NHL 2 years later, required to sign the contract / re-signed when contract ended)
• 2015 - TOR/Bernier - Settle: 2 years (traded before contract ended)
• 2015 - EDM/Schultz - Settle: 1 year (traded before contract ended)
• 2016 - DET/Mrazek - Settle: 2 years (traded before contract ended)
• 2019 - STL/Husso - Settle: 1 year (re-signed when contract ended)
• 2021 - BOS/Carlo - Settle: 6 years (contract still in force)
• 2021 - MIN/Fiala - Settle: 1 year (went UFA when contract ended)
• 2021 - PHI/Sanheim - Settle: 2 years (contract still in force)

The only ones that resulted in long-term settlements were Fleury and Carlo, and from what I can tell, in those situations, the teams filed early and had already settled the contracts long before it got to arbitration.

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Also of note, Schultz is the only one of these players who was traded within the first year after club-elected arbitration, and he was moved at the trade deadline (the only other trades were after the first year of a 2 year contract). None were traded between the time of filing and the hearing/settlement.

[getbak]

The schedule for the arbitration hearings will be determined on Tuesday. I wasn't sure how this was done, so I looked it up:

After the NHL and NHLPA have compiled the Player List, salary arbitrations shall be scheduled as follows:

(i) The NHL and NHLPA shall flip a coin to determine which party shall begin the process set forth in subsection (ii) below.

(ii) The party winning the coin-flip set forth in subsection (i) above shall select a Player from the Player List and shall assign such Player to a particular Salary Arbitrator on one of such Salary Arbitrator's available dates, as indicated on the Salary Arbitration Calendar. The other party will then follow the same process until every Player on the Player List for whom Central Registry has not yet received an executed SPC has been assigned a hearing date and a Salary Arbitrator. Once so assigned, a Player's hearing date and Salary Arbitrator may not thereafter be changed without the mutual consent of the NHL and the NHLPA.

(iii) The only restrictions on a party's ability to assign a Player to a particular Salary Arbitrator on one of such Salary Arbitrator's available dates, as indicated on the Salary Arbitration Calendar, shall be as follows: No Player shall be assigned a hearing date if it would result in: (x) a Club having more than one (1) salary arbitration on such date; (y) a Certified Agent having two (2) Players for whom such Certified Agent is listed as the Primary Certified Agent on the Certified Agent List, scheduled to have their salary arbitrations on the same date; or (z) a Salary Arbitrator being assigned more than one (1) salary arbitration per day, provided, this restriction in (z) will not apply in the event there are more than fifty-six (56) Players for whom hearing dates must be scheduled, in which case every available date for all Salary Arbitrators must first be utilized before any Salary Arbitrator may be assigned a second salary arbitration on a particular day.

I wonder if the preference is for the higher-profile cases to go earlier or later? Also, do the players and league have different preferences for dates, or do they only care about who the arbitrator is?

You'd think the Flames would want the Tkachuk hearing to be their first, so they can know where things stand before negotiating with the other players.

People have said this buys them an extra three weeks, but it could be as early as next Wednesday.

[devo22]

fascinating to see how this one plays out. Interesting that the media seems to see this as a precursor for a trade, whereas my first thought was that they just wanted to give themselves more time to negotiate, given that the QO deadline was looming. Either way, I hope there's going to be a resolution soon enough.

[dammage79]

Interesting that Boomers convinced Chuckys gone . I dont known if things changed for him since leaving but he's always been pretty accurate on Flames business.

[Roof-Daddy]

So two teams that come to mind for obvious reasons when talking about trading Tkachuk, are Ottawa and St. Louis.

Some of the names tossed around include Batherson, Kyrou and Thomas.

All three of them are CHL players who were members of the 2018 WJC Team Canada team that is embroiled in controversy. Have any of them come out with statements outright denying any involvement?

This has to be considered if Tre is talking Tkachuk trade with either of these teams.

[devo22]

don't think they have, but you can cross off Thomas anyway ... just signed an 8 year extension in St Louis. He's not going anywhere.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by devo22

don't think they have, but you can cross off Thomas anyway ... just signed an 8 year extension in St Louis. He's not going anywhere.

Yeah, was just looking at that. I agree Thomas would be a no go.

I think the best you could hope for from St. Louis would be Kyrou plus maybe a small add. Provided what I mentioned above isn't an issue.

[devo22]

yeah Kyrou to me has always been a "logical" target in a potential Tkachuk trade to St Louis. Still young, but a legit top line winger already. Fantastic skater. If the above mentioned isn't an issue, I'd be fully on board with that.

Don't really see it with Ottawa. Sure, his brother is there, but apart from that, I'm not sure it'd be that great of a fit. Building around guys like Batherson and now DeBrincat there on the right wing makes sense for them.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

So two teams that come to mind for obvious reasons when talking about trading Tkachuk, are Ottawa and St. Louis.

Some of the names tossed around include Batherson, Kyrou and Thomas.

All three of them are CHL players who were members of the 2018 WJC Team Canada team that is embroiled in controversy. Have any of them come out with statements outright denying any involvement?

This has to be considered if Tre is talking Tkachuk trade with either of these teams.

That would be a wrap on the summer if the center piece of the Tkachuk trade got a one year suspension a year later for off ice activities.