[News] UPD: Tkachuk arbitration hearing set for Aug 11

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

It’s almost like they are completely different scenarios and knowing what Gaudreau would do at the draft mattered while an actual arbitrary deadline in summer doesn’t mean anything when you retain the rights of a player for one year regardless.

You also were arguing they should have had a deadline before his NMC kicked in a year ago, with a year left on his contract.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Treliving did this to generate more negotiation time, and to eliminate the threat of an offer sheet. Period. Full stop. It does not mean that Tkachuk is gone (any more likely than a day ago)

So taking this down to the 11th hour then?

[CF84]

Tkachuk could have filed for salary arbitration and would have gotten more than his qualifying offer which means he never intended to take his qualifying offer in the first place. The Flames knew he would hold out into the season (he's a Tkachuk) and they put a hard deadline on that. Matthew is far more ruthless than his brother and even gave him advice during his dealings. I don't see it as being any more complicated than this and it's a very business savvy move on Treliving's part.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Saqe

So if he doesn't sign long term the Flames basically have to trade him immediately? What a fricken summer that would be, losing both Gaudreau and Tkachuck.

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

It’s almost like they are completely different scenarios and knowing what Gaudreau would do at the draft mattered while an actual arbitrary deadline in summer doesn’t mean anything when you retain the rights of a player for one year regardless.

It's almost like you are 100% negative no matter what happens

[Nelson]

I think the reason the Flames went for club-elected salary arbitration is they were afraid he was gonna take the QO and get to UFA as early as possible. But as others have pointed out, this provides a deadline further into the future than the QO. It would’ve been a 1-year deal with the QO or with club-elected arbitration, but now there’s more time to negotiate with Tkachuk OR work out a trade. The trade seems more likely at this point.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by flamesrule_kipper34

At worst it gives them time to look for a trading partner prior to going into arbitration.

Or at worst it means Tkachuk makes more money this year than if he had accepted his QO, lowering his trade value as he becomes a UFA. And discourages potential trade partners who may have kicked tires, especially as more UFA fallout occurs (Kadri signing for example) and they don’t want to have to be prepared to go to arbitration with a player who could command 8 figures without preparation if his arbitration date is set for July 27th.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You also were arguing they should have had a deadline before his NMC kicked in a year ago, with a year left on his contract.

Yeah, he's arguing limiting those factors that remove control from your side of the table.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

So taking this down to the 11th hour then?

No, doing what you said should be done for Gaudreau in the summer of 2021. Deadline - he doesn’t accept - trade (no matter what the return is).

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You also were arguing they should have had a deadline before his NMC kicked in a year ago, with a year left on his contract.

You’re mistaken about that. Wrong poster. I was perfectly happy with them keeping Gaudreau, in fact I think it would have been stupid to move him last off-season.

[dino7c]

No holdouts, no offersheets

They can still negotiate a long term and at worst he gets slightly more than his QO which is a decent trade off

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Yeah, he's arguing limiting those factors that remove control from your side of the table.

They just removed a limiting factor - the QO date. They imposed a new deadline from their side of the table. They can: get a deal before the deadline, trade him before the deadline, or get a decision and force him to play all year and then work out a new deal or trade him. All at their option. With no limitations on trade partners.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

It’s almost like they are completely different scenarios and knowing what Gaudreau would do at the draft mattered while an actual arbitrary deadline in summer doesn’t mean anything when you retain the rights of a player for one year regardless.

The moment the Flames filed for arbitration, they set a deadline that is absolutely binding for both sides. There is nothing arbitrary about it. You wanted the Flames to set a one-sided deadline on Gaudreau, with nothing to bind Gaudreau or his agent to it. Of course the Flames would have liked to make a deal before the draft, but what was in it for Gaudreau? Nothing.

The thing about an arbitrary deadline is that when it goes past, nothing actually changes. The real deadline for Gaudreau and the Flames was the evening of July 12, when it was no longer possible for him to get an 8-year contract. The real deadline for Tkachuk and the Flames is now the arbitration date.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

You’re mistaken about that. Wrong poster. I was perfectly happy with them keeping Gaudreau, in fact I think it would have been stupid to move him last off-season.

K sorry. But the movement of Gaudreau within the year or after was way harder than before his NMC, and the return less, so I’m not sure why you’d say that.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It's amazing the worst managed team in league history was

6 out of 32 in the Regular Season
And 5-8 out of 32 after the playoffs

Last year was a good year. In the last 7 years the following teams have made the 2nd round

Tampa Bay (5)
New York Islanders (4)
Washington (3)
Pittsburgh (3)
Dallas (3)
St Louis (4)
San Jose (3)
Nashville (3)
Ottawa
NYR (2)
Anaheim
Edmonton (2)
Boston (4)
Winnipeg (2)
Vegas (3)
Columbus
Carolina (3)
Colorado (4)
Philadelphia
Vancouver
Montreal
Florida
Calgary

In the last 7 years the Flames have made the second round more times than 8 other teams in the league, the same number of times or better than 15 teams in the league. It is not like they have not had their chance in the last 7 years.

[OptimalTates]

I don’t think I did.

I wanted Treliving to go into the draft with a clear picture of the future of the team. That meant knowing if Gaudreau would sign or not, if he wasn’t the value for his rights would have been a consolation prize but the important thing was knowing where the team was heading.

[browna]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Or at worst it means Tkachuk makes more money this year than if he had accepted his QO, lowering his trade value as he becomes a UFA. And discourages potential trade partners who may have kicked tires, especially as more UFA fallout occurs (Kadri signing for example) and they don’t want to have to be prepared to go to arbitration with a player who could command 8 figures without preparation if his arbitration date is set for July 27th.

Let's get this out of the way and on record since your seem to have all the answers and happily dole out all sorts of negativity these days....if you were made Flames GM this second, how would you this Tkachuk situation to play out?

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The moment the Flames filed for arbitration, they set a deadline that is absolutely binding for both sides. There is nothing arbitrary about it. You wanted the Flames to set a one-sided deadline on Gaudreau, with nothing to bind Gaudreau or his agent to it. Of course the Flames would have liked to make a deal before the draft, but what was in it for Gaudreau? Nothing.

The thing about an arbitrary deadline is that when it goes past, nothing actually changes. The real deadline for Gaudreau and the Flames was the evening of July 12, when it was no longer possible for him to get an 8-year contract. The real deadline for Tkachuk and the Flames is now the arbitration date.

I wanted Treliving to know the future plans of the Flames during the draft.

I didn’t want deadlines because I like deadlines. It served a purpose. July 29th deadline instead of July 22nd doesn’t do much for the Flames with Tkachuk.

[Lanny_McDonald]

So this gives the Flames 24 days to get a deal hammered out.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Last year was a good year. In the last 7 years the following teams have made the 2nd round

Tampa Bay (5)
New York Islanders (4)
Washington (3)
Pittsburgh (3)
Dallas (3)
St Louis (4)
San Jose (3)
Nashville (3)
Ottawa
NYR (2)
Anaheim
Edmonton (2)
Boston (4)
Winnipeg (2)
Vegas (3)
Columbus
Carolina (3)
Colorado (4)
Philadelphia
Vancouver
Montreal
Florida
Calgary

In the last 7 years the Flames have made the second round more times than 8 other teams in the league, the same number of times or better than 15 teams in the league. It is not like they have not had their chance in the last 7 years.

How many teams have two division titles? You kinda cherry picked it to cut out 2015.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by browna

Let's get this out of the way and on record since your seem to have all the answers and happily dole out all sorts of negativity these days....if you were made Flames GM this second, how would you this Tkachuk situation to play out?

I would have traded him at the draft for the rumoured NJ offers or see if Ottawa would prefer him (and Tkachuk prefer Ottawa) over DeBrincat.