[News] Mangiapane, Kylington, Phillips file for salary arbitration. Tkachuk does not

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by activeStick

So deadline is this Friday, July 22 for Tkachuk to sign the 1-year 9M QO. If he does not sign, he can work on a different contract with the Flames or sign an offer sheet from anyone. Are there any other notable things that get triggered if Tkachuk doesn't sign his QO?



If it's a shorter term deal, does that AAV come in lower or higher than a 6-7 year deal?

In this case, lower because you aren't buying UFA years. Unlike UFA where you are offering lower AAV but more money over an 8 year deal because no one else can do it.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Maybe force the Flames to walk away from a deal to make himself a free agent?

Only if the arbitrator awards him a salary greater than $4,538,958. That's not happening for Phillips.

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Only if the arbitrator awards him a salary greater than $4,538,958. That's not happening for Phillips.

If memory serves me correct Mangiapane tried this too.

Ended up signing a two way contract. I think it is a bad move by phillips but not devastating.

He has proved nothing at the NHL level. Yet arbitration does gaurantee a contract. It still will be a two way contract. Flames will probably bump up his AHL salary a bit and he will sign before the arbitrator rules.

No harm no foul. I would love to see the guy get a chance playing in the top six in training camp.

I dont think he makes the big club but would love to be wrong.

Pelletier, Ruzicka, and Phillips making the team would sure help out the cap moving forward. Add Mackey to that mix too. Guy deserves a super long look.

I would like to say Valimaki deserves a shot too. Yet I am not sure of that.

A few years ago he looked great. Has not been the same player since. I want to be wrong here in a big way.

[Sylvanfan]

Mangiapane is really a fastensting player in terms of valuation. Theres a pretty wide gap between what the eye test and the analytics people think he is worth. I hesr s lot of he's not a 5 million a year player..analytics guys seem to hope he comes in at 6 or less, but won't divulge their expected value.

Adrian Kempe is a pretty logical comparison in terms of last year's counting numbers. But over the past three years, Eat Bread's even strength and analytics are very strong.

No doubt Rich Winter is circling in the water to get a Jeff Skinner contract here. I'm conflicted as I do think he's been what eversges out to a 30 goal guy for two years without premium ice time and line mates. But on a a real contender would you play him on a top line thinking he'll score 40 goals? I don't, so that brings the first number under 7 for me. But on a 4 year deal, I would consider in the sixes for sure.

[Calgary4LIfe]

For all we know, Phillips may want out. He has been in the AHL for 4 seasons now, and has only one game to show for it. Maybe he feels like there is some roadblock here to his career moving forward?



Personally, I don't think he gets a shot in Calgary unless he forces Sutter's hand in camp/preseason. I don't he has shown enough at the AHL level, especially considering that he doesn't offer the Flames much else if he is not going to be a scorer. We will see what happens, but I am betting they never go to arbitration and this was just a 'just in case' thing for him.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Maybe he feels like there is some roadblock here to his career moving forward?

Fortunately, it's a very small roadblock. Only 5'7 and 140 pounds.

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

For all we know, Phillips may want out. He has been in the AHL for 4 seasons now, and has only one game to show for it. Maybe he feels like there is some roadblock here to his career moving forward?

Personally, I don't think he gets a shot in Calgary unless he forces Sutter's hand in camp/preseason. I don't he has shown enough at the AHL level, especially considering that he doesn't offer the Flames much else if he is not going to be a scorer. We will see what happens, but I am betting they never go to arbitration and this was just a 'just in case' thing for him.

Phillips is just ensuring that he gets a substantial raise from the $80k he earned last year.

Froese, Kirkland, Gawdin, Philp, etc. all got substantial raises this year. Philp is now at $250k and the rest are north of $450k.

Lil Matty might still be an RFA, but he is better than all of those players and should be paid accordingly or at least on par with those guys.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Phillips is the arbitration case I'm most interested in seeing play out. I was curious what he was going to present to try and force something on the Flames. I'm curious what his end game is here???

Simply, a 1 way?

[getbak]

It's hard to imagine how a player who has played one NHL game (and an end-of-season garbage game at that) would have any case for a one-way contract.

[Harry Lime]

Phillips broke the all time Stockton scoring record by 10 points last year, and has improved defensively year over year. It's not his fault he has not seen NHL time.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Phillips broke the all time Stockton scoring record by 10 points last year, and has improved defensively year over year. It's not his fault he has not seen NHL time.

All-time record? You mean of the 5 full seasons they had?

Derek Grant had 45 points in 36 games. Mangiapane had 46 points in 39 games, even Quine had 52 points in 41 games.

So congrats to him on beating Agostino's 57 in 65 but a point-per-game in the AHL isn't something that automatically means you should be in the NHL. It's still his "fault".

[sureLoss]

https://www.nhlpa.com/news/1-22350/2...-hearing-dates

Arb dates:

Phillips - July 30
Mangiapane - Aug 5
Kylington - Aug 10
Tkachuk - Aug 11

[Moneyhands23]

Man I hope Phillips gets a shot..I actually hope he germts a 1 way deal. If he doesn't make our team I'd like to see him get a chance on another roster.

[Macman]

With Gaudreau gone this could be the best opportunity for Matthew Phillips. I still think he’s too small for the NHL game but this could be his last chance if the Flames give him a few games and see how he does.

[Canada 02]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1554096693783797760

[Canada 02]

hoping for a contentious arbitration hearing like Risebough/Gilmour leading to a trade demand, and Bratt joining the Swedish mafia

[Sylvanfan]

So arbitrator will award 5.325 if it gets to a hearing. It's the easiest job in sports....95% of time you show up and no hearing. When you do show...you just go in the middle.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

https://twitter.com/user/status/1554096693783797760

I wonder if the Devils would deal him? Would be an interesting add if a deal could be worked with him at $5.5Mx6 years? For one of our defensemen? A conditional first in 2024/2025?

[TheScorpion]

That seems like a really low team filing. $6.5 is right on the money for Bratt.

[Bleeding Red]

Someone please remind me. I thought the arbitrator had to pick one of the offers. The arbitrator can't split the difference - or is that in baseball?