07-16-2022, 03:50 PM
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#181
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Originally Posted by chedder
Glad Dube finally made a statement through his lawyer. It, of course, is carefully worded but says he wasn't part of the actual vile acts. If he was in the room that's awful, especially since he was the captain. Hoping he wasn't.
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He made a statement through his agent, who is not a lawyer.
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07-16-2022, 03:56 PM
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#182
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Originally Posted by Aarongavey
He made a statement through his agent, who is not a lawyer.
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You can be sure legal counsel was involved in phrasing that statement. It reads like something a lawyer would be careful to write.
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07-16-2022, 03:57 PM
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#183
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GOAT!
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I think it should be made clear that Dube didn't "make a statement through his agent." Global News specifically contacted his agent, and the agent made a statement on behalf of Dube. That part was left out of the quote, but it's an important distinction.
Dube was most likely advised not to give any statements at all, whether directly or indirectly.
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07-16-2022, 04:04 PM
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#184
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
No one here has said anything defamatory. Not even close. That’s all huff and puff in that letter.
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Even so, people should still just shut the #### up.
Some are insinuating that he might be guilty of a disgusting crime because of the way that statement is worded.
Maybe let's wait to see what the re-opened investigation uncovers before we go witch hunting on here?
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07-16-2022, 04:08 PM
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#185
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Even so, people should still just shut the #### up.
Some are insinuating that he might be guilty of a disgusting crime because of the way that statement is worded.
Maybe let's wait to see what the re-opened investigation uncovers before we go witch hunting on here?
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Comparing rape allegations to witch hunting is pathetic.
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07-16-2022, 04:09 PM
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#186
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area
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I don't think it is right to draw too many conclusions from this yet based on these responses/no responses. But these guys have to be ####ting their pants right now...even people on the periphery. I like that investigators, the gov't and hockey canada finally seem determined to get to the bottom of this.
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07-16-2022, 04:14 PM
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#187
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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Even so, people should still just shut the #### up.
Some are insinuating that he might be guilty of a disgusting crime because of the way that statement is worded.
Maybe let's wait to see what the re-opened investigation uncovers before we go witch hunting on here?
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Witch hunt means going after people with unpopular views. Not sure anyone has done that here. If anything, witch hunt could imply that one thinks that the players are guilty as these alleged actions should be held up as unpopular by society.
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07-16-2022, 04:16 PM
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#188
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Originally Posted by OptimalTates
Comparing rape allegations to witch hunting is pathetic.
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That's not the comparison being made.
What's being compared to witch-hunting is stuff like calling for players to be banned from the league without even knowing whether they were involved. A few people appear inclined to tar the whole team with the same brush.
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Originally Posted by Aarongavey
Witch hunt means going after people with unpopular views.
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The unpopular view in this case being, ‘We shouldn't all be punished due to guilt by association.’
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07-16-2022, 04:17 PM
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#189
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#1 Goaltender
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I don’t think there is much point reading anything into the statement. He denies any alleged wrongdoing and complied with the police investigation. I am not sure we should expect anything else, whether he was involved or not. Certainly don’t think him being captain has anything to do with it.
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07-16-2022, 04:20 PM
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#190
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jan 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Even so, people should still just shut the #### up.
Some are insinuating that he might be guilty of a disgusting crime because of the way that statement is worded.
Maybe let's wait to see what the re-opened investigation uncovers before we go witch hunting on here?
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Not talking about it, and encouraging others not to talk about it, is EXACTLY why we are where we are.
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07-16-2022, 04:20 PM
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#191
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
That's not the comparison being made.
What's being compared to witch-hunting is stuff like calling for players to be banned from the league without even knowing whether they were involved. A few people have shown a pretty strong inclination to tar the whole team with the same brush.
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Witch hunting is using a fake allegation to go after people you don't like for ulterior motives.
This wasn't a fake allegation, it's a rape allegation, and the people are based on a small list where nearly half were involved and several have made statements explicitly a) saying they weren't involved and b) saying the allegations are reprehensible. Dube's agent's statement left room for him to be involved but also tried to clear the players involved by saying no wrongdoing occurred. Both of those are worrisome statements.
Let's call it what it really is; rapist hunting. See if anyone has an issue with that.
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07-16-2022, 04:22 PM
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#192
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Originally Posted by OptimalTates
Witch hunting is using a fake allegation to go after people you don't like for ulterior motives.
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No fake allegation needs to be involved. It can be a true allegation of something that is not actually wrong. For instance: ‘These guys were on the same team as one or more accused rapists.’
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Let's call it what it really is; rapist hunting. See if anyone has an issue with that.
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I already called it what it really is: guilt by association. ‘Rapist hunting’ is not an excuse for punishing people who are not rapists.
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Originally Posted by Murph
Not talking about it, and encouraging others not to talk about it, is EXACTLY why we are where we are.
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That's the witch-hunting mentality right there. ‘It is vitally important that we gossip about this without knowing who the guilty parties are, because we might prevent a crime by ruining the reputations of everyone who might have been involved.’
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07-16-2022, 04:22 PM
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#193
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GOAT!
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Due process is everyone's friend.
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07-16-2022, 04:26 PM
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#194
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Call it whatever you want.
My point is right now there is no proof that Dube has done anything wrong, until there is proof leave him alone.
How would you like it if someone did that to any one of you?
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07-16-2022, 04:34 PM
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#195
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
That's the witch-hunting mentality right there. ‘It is vitally important that we gossip about this without knowing who the guilty parties are, because we might prevent a crime by ruining the reputations of everyone who might have been involved.’
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I don’t think that anyone is talking about Victor Mete or Cale Makar and they are on the team. If what you are saying is that one cannot talk about the people that may have been in the room, my question would be why is that?
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07-16-2022, 04:34 PM
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#196
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Dube can come out today and say he wasn't in the room when it happened and it was appalling what was alleged to have occurred. Like Mete did weeks ago.
Instead he had his agent give a statement implying that no wrongdoing took place. People are discussing that statement provided.
That's on him, not us.
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07-16-2022, 04:39 PM
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#197
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Aarongavey
I don’t think that anyone is talking about Victor Mete or Cale Makar and they are on the team. If what you are saying is that one cannot talk about the people that may have been in the room, my question would be why is that?
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Because you cannot talk about people being in the room without also accusing them of a crime. You may think your right to express an uninformed opinion takes precedence over their right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. I most emphatically don't.
There is no reason for anyone not involved to discuss this case while it's still being investigated by the police. How about we pipe down and wait to see who is actually charged?
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07-16-2022, 04:42 PM
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#198
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
There is no reason for anyone not involved to discuss this case while it's still being investigated by the police. How about we pipe down and wait to see who is actually charged?
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Actually for most of the players not involved there's absolutely a good reason to say they weren't; publicity. It's why we're seeing players deny being in the room. Why wouldn't you if you weren't in the room?
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07-16-2022, 04:43 PM
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#199
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Originally Posted by OptimalTates
Actually for most of the players not involved there's absolutely a good reason to say they weren't; publicity. It's why we're seeing players deny being in the room. Why wouldn't you if you weren't in the room?
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I wasn't talking about the players. I was talking about us.
The players are all involved as possible suspects and/or witnesses. We're not.
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07-16-2022, 04:43 PM
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#200
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OptimalTates
Dube can come out today and say he wasn't in the room when it happened and it was appalling what was alleged to have occurred. Like Mete did weeks ago.
Instead he had his agent give a statement implying that no wrongdoing took place. People are discussing that statement provided.
That's on him, not us.
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No. You’re responsible for what you post. Not Dube’s agent.
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